OOOH!!!!

[Appa23]

As an aside, are celebs allowed to play for religious charities?

More the point of this one question, my recollection of previous "Celebrity" editions are that they must be allowed. I recall at least one celebrity playing for a private, religious high school (maybe even in New York) like a "St. Francis" or something.

Yet, I am curious if you would you raise such a fuss if Heaton had played for a "Battered Women's Shelter" run by a religious organization? A homeless shelter and school set up by the Salvation Army? A Catholic Charity addressing the mutilation of women in Africa?

[Bob78164]

The problem with her charity is that it doesn't tell pregnant women about all of their options.

I wasn't going to drag this thread any farther, but just for grins I thought I'd actually check out some facts. My main point for this is to reinforce that making shit up isn't always an effective rebuttal to what someone else says. To refute your statement above, please refer to the below:

http://www.wpclinic.org/services/counseling-support/

Support
The WPC is here to support you regardless of what you decide. Should you decide to parent, the center offers a program called Earn While You Learn (EWYL), which offers emotional and material assistance, as well as the opportunity to network with other new mothers and fathers.

Should you choose to terminate your pregnancy, the WPC offers one-on-one counseling, as well as an abortion recovery support group. Please note that WPC does not refer for or perform abortions.

Should you explore adoption, the WPC is available to educate you on your adoption options and to provide resources and access to other birth moms who have made this choice.

Referrals to agencies and attorneys are available upon request.

I understand your point and I certainly agree that the attempt to link the anti-choice position to a lack of intelligence is wrong, but I don't think what you quote actually refutes what Odyssey said. One-on-one counseling doesn't mean they tell the woman about abortion. I suspect it means they try their level best to talk the woman out of it, if she raises the issue herself. --Bob

[themanintheseersuckersuit]

I suspect it means they try their level best to talk the woman out of it, if she raises the issue herself. --Bob

You say that like its a bad thing.

[Beebs52]

The problem with her charity is that it doesn't tell pregnant women about all of their options.

I wasn't going to drag this thread any farther, but just for grins I thought I'd actually check out some facts. My main point for this is to reinforce that making shit up isn't always an effective rebuttal to what someone else says. To refute your statement above, please refer to the below:

http://www.wpclinic.org/services/counseling-support/

Support
The WPC is here to support you regardless of what you decide. Should you decide to parent, the center offers a program called Earn While You Learn (EWYL), which offers emotional and material assistance, as well as the opportunity to network with other new mothers and fathers.

Should you choose to terminate your pregnancy, the WPC offers one-on-one counseling, as well as an abortion recovery support group. Please note that WPC does not refer for or perform abortions.

Should you explore adoption, the WPC is available to educate you on your adoption options and to provide resources and access to other birth moms who have made this choice.

Referrals to agencies and attorneys are available upon request.

I understand your point and I certainly agree that the attempt to link the anti-choice position to a lack of intelligence is wrong, but I don't think what you quote actually refutes what Odyssey said. One-on-one counseling doesn't mean they tell the woman about abortion. I suspect it means they try their level best to talk the woman out of it, if she raises the issue herself. --Bob

I don't see in my post anything about linking anti-choice/lack of intelligence. I highlighted that it doesn't tell pregnant women about all of their options. That is not true. Now, if you're going to go into the quality and quantity of the telling that's another discussion. You've misread the post. I suppose because they don't offer how-to's on abortion that that particular option is getting short shrift. I suppose the fact they acknowledge the fact that people may get abortions is pretty lenient for them, if, indeed, they are SUCH A CULT. And, that they offer counseling surrounding that option AFTER THE FACT. If you READ the site it explicitly says they don't refer to abortion facilities. But, they obviously are acknowledging the existence of abortion. (And, if you tell me people aren't aware of that option in these days I believe you're smoking something.) Again, Odyssey said they don't talk about all options. THAT IS A MISSTATEMENT.

[clem21]

You know what. I'm funny dammit. And I've been making all sorts of jokes all over the Bored this week and I think they're funny. And you guys are all sitting here arguing about abortions and Healthcare and all sorts of other serious crap but I'm supposed to bite my tongue and be okay with not even getting a fucking courtesy LOL once in a while?!?! Well no more! You're all so damn selfish and all you think about is yourselves. Well it's time you started thinking about me and how I feel! Screw you all! And now that you've been screwed at least you'll have a legitimate excuse to discuss abortions 'cuz now at least there's a chance that one of you is even fucking pregnant!!!

I hope you're happy.

[Jeemie]

You know what. I'm funny dammit. And I've been making all sorts of jokes all over the Bored this week and I think they're funny. And you guys are all sitting here arguing about abortions and Healthcare and all sorts of other serious crap but I'm supposed to bite my tongue and be okay with not even getting a fucking courtesy LOL once in a while?!?! Well no more! You're all so damn selfish and all you think about is yourselves. Well it's time you started thinking about me and how I feel! Screw you all! And now that you've been screwed at least you'll have a legitimate excuse to discuss abortions 'cuz at least now there's a chance that on of you is even fucking pregnant!!!

I hope you're happy.

You can't use humor and get people here out of an argument/vigorous debate they're determined to have.

I've tried- it doesn't work.

And I KNOW it doesn't work on me.

PS- Courtesy LOL Courtesy LOL Courtesy LOL Courtesy LOL Courtesy LOL Courtesy LOL Courtesy LOL Courtesy LOL Courtesy LOL Courtesy LOL

That covers me for your next 10 jokes.

[Beebs52]

You know what. I'm funny dammit. And I've been making all sorts of jokes all over the Bored this week and I think they're funny. And you guys are all sitting here arguing about abortions and Healthcare and all sorts of other serious crap but I'm supposed to bite my tongue and be okay with not even getting a fucking courtesy LOL once in a while?!?! Well no more! You're all so damn selfish and all you think about is yourselves. Well it's time you started thinking about me and how I feel! Screw you all! And now that you've been screwed at least you'll have a legitimate excuse to discuss abortions 'cuz now at least there's a chance that one of you is even fucking pregnant!!!

I hope you're happy.

Please refer to the highlighted section above. I have NEVER accused you of being unfunny. That is a MISSTATEMENT.

And if I get pregnant due to your epithet I'm suing you and my former ob-gyn for malpractice and undue dueness.

[clem21]

You know what. I'm funny dammit. And I've been making all sorts of jokes all over the Bored this week and I think they're funny. And you guys are all sitting here arguing about abortions and Healthcare and all sorts of other serious crap but I'm supposed to bite my tongue and be okay with not even getting a fucking courtesy LOL once in a while?!?! Well no more! You're all so damn selfish and all you think about is yourselves. Well it's time you started thinking about me and how I feel! Screw you all! And now that you've been screwed at least you'll have a legitimate excuse to discuss abortions 'cuz now at least there's a chance that one of you is even fucking pregnant!!!

I hope you're happy.

Please refer to the highlighted section above. I have NEVER accused you of being unfunny. That is a MISSTATEMENT.

And if I get pregnant due to your epithet I'm suing you and my former ob-gyn for malpractice and undue dueness.

Yes, but you've allowed some of my funnier lines lately including but not limited to sexual fantasies involving Meredith Vieira, Britney Spears' bikinis, shitloads of pot, and orange juice cap ring thingies go by unnoticed. I'm crying inside! I feel unfunny! And nothing is worse than being unfunny! It's a huge hit to my ego and self-esteem and thus my unfunniness leads to me becoming unable to maintain an erection. In contrast when I am really funny I can maintain an erection for longer than four hours causing me the need to call a doctor immediately because I pay attention to those Viagra ads. But I digress. I need your support Beebs. And if you get pregnant you can name the kid Joey. And if you sue me I'll make you the first victim of the serial killing rampage that Fanny's been anticipating for so long.

That is all.

P.S. Please don't kill me Kay, I'm innocent! I don't know what an erection is, I'm just copying what the corrupt people say to sound cool and if it's anything bad then it's their fault and not mine!!!

[Beebs52]

You know what. I'm funny dammit. And I've been making all sorts of jokes all over the Bored this week and I think they're funny. And you guys are all sitting here arguing about abortions and Healthcare and all sorts of other serious crap but I'm supposed to bite my tongue and be okay with not even getting a fucking courtesy LOL once in a while?!?! Well no more! You're all so damn selfish and all you think about is yourselves. Well it's time you started thinking about me and how I feel! Screw you all! And now that you've been screwed at least you'll have a legitimate excuse to discuss abortions 'cuz now at least there's a chance that one of you is even fucking pregnant!!!

I hope you're happy.

Please refer to the highlighted section above. I have NEVER accused you of being unfunny. That is a MISSTATEMENT.

And if I get pregnant due to your epithet I'm suing you and my former ob-gyn for malpractice and undue dueness.

Yes, but you've allowed some of my funnier lines lately including but not limited to sexual fantasies involving Meredith Vieira, Britney Spears' bikinis, shitloads of pot, and orange juice cap ring thingies go by unnoticed. I'm crying inside! I feel unfunny! And nothing is worse than being unfunny! It's a huge hit to my ego and self-esteem and thus my unfunniness leads to me becoming unable to maintain an erection. In contrast when I am really funny I can maintain an erection for longer than four hours causing me the need to call a doctor immediately because I pay attention to those Viagra ads. But I digress. I need your support Beebs. And if you get pregnant you can name the kid Joey. And if you sue me I'll make you the first victim of the serial killing rampage that Fanny's been anticipating for so long.

That is all.

P.S. Please don't kill me Kay, I'm innocent! I don't know what an erection is, I'm just copying what the corrupt people say to sound cool and if it's anything bad then it's their fault and not mine!!!

Step back from the Red Bull, sir. Step back.

[clem21]

Please refer to the highlighted section above. I have NEVER accused you of being unfunny. That is a MISSTATEMENT.

And if I get pregnant due to your epithet I'm suing you and my former ob-gyn for malpractice and undue dueness.

Yes, but you've allowed some of my funnier lines lately including but not limited to sexual fantasies involving Meredith Vieira, Britney Spears' bikinis, shitloads of pot, and orange juice cap ring thingies go by unnoticed. I'm crying inside! I feel unfunny! And nothing is worse than being unfunny! It's a huge hit to my ego and self-esteem and thus my unfunniness leads to me becoming unable to maintain an erection. In contrast when I am really funny I can maintain an erection for longer than four hours causing me the need to call a doctor immediately because I pay attention to those Viagra ads. But I digress. I need your support Beebs. And if you get pregnant you can name the kid Joey. And if you sue me I'll make you the first victim of the serial killing rampage that Fanny's been anticipating for so long.

That is all.

P.S. Please don't kill me Kay, I'm innocent! I don't know what an erection is, I'm just copying what the corrupt people say to sound cool and if it's anything bad then it's their fault and not mine!!!

Step back from the Red Bull, sir. Step back.

RED BULL???!!? HAHAHHAAHAHA! YOU THINK I'M DRINKING RED BULL!!!???
Madam, it's a month until I ruin my life by screwing up the LSATs, classes start in a week in my last semester ever, I've got nothing to do but sit here in my minuscule apartment and study these fucking logic games (neither logical nor games DISCUSS!) all day without the air conditioning because it's so fucking expensive AND YOU THINK I'M STILL DRINKING RED BULL??? I'm so far past Red Bull at this point it's not even funny. But I am. Funny that is. I'm done now.

[Odyssey]

I also was not going to post any more, but the debate goes on so I guess I'll add a bit more. Beebs, the stuff you posted from the website does nothing to convince one that they mention abortion as a viable option for a pregnant woman. As Bob#'s said, if the pregnant woman brings it up, I'm sure they do their very best to talk her out of it. Amanda's blog (which I had never heard of BTW, but I like the page I linked to a lot) posts the e-mails PH's foundation sends out which smack of mind control to me, especially in light of the fact that they target the young. In my clinical experience, the best thing for a pregnant woman who is unsure of what to do would be for her to get some good, non-judgmental, impartial therapy that helps her weigh the pros and cons of every option, according to HER value system. Trying to talk a person into your way of thinking when they are in a vulnerable position stinks and to me, smells cultish.

Let's put this in millionaire terms---abortion pretty evenly divides the country. Why, when trying to attract a national audience, give money to a charity that only half the country can support? If an ATA came in with the lead answer at 50ish percent, I don't think any of us would be too happy.

Oh, and Clem, if one of us winds up pregnant, I guess you don't need to wonder which one would be getting the abortion.

[Estonut]

One-on-one counseling doesn't mean they tell the woman about abortion. I suspect it means they try their level best to talk the woman out of it, if she raises the issue herself. --Bob

What a load of crap!

So you think they don't tell the woman about abortion, but offer an abortion recovery support group? Or are they lying about that?

[Odyssey]

So Clem, if we are all sitting at a round table and Beebs and I are not sitting next to each other, but the person sitting next to me has on a blue shirt and you are sitting next to someone without shoes and....

[Odyssey]

One-on-one counseling doesn't mean they tell the woman about abortion. I suspect it means they try their level best to talk the woman out of it, if she raises the issue herself. --Bob

What a load of crap!

So you think they don't tell the woman about abortion, but offer an abortion recovery support group? Or are they lying about that?

I'd love to see their stats on how many actually get into this group and stay in this group. What is this group like? Repent for your atrocious sin, evil woman?

Look at the language, even. "abortion recovery" support. How about pregnancy recovery and adoption recovery?

[Beebs52]

So Clem, if we are all sitting at a round table and Beebs and I are not sitting next to each other, but the person sitting next to me has on a blue shirt and you are sitting next to someone without shoes and....

Now that was really evil...YOU are responsible for the carnage that ensues in his apartment!

[Odyssey]

So Clem, if we are all sitting at a round table and Beebs and I are not sitting next to each other, but the person sitting next to me has on a blue shirt and you are sitting next to someone without shoes and....

Now that was really evil...YOU are responsible for the carnage that ensues in his apartment!

Well, he said he wanted more humor!

[clem21]

So Clem, if we are all sitting at a round table and Beebs and I are not sitting next to each other, but the person sitting next to me has on a blue shirt and you are sitting next to someone without shoes and....

No, No Miss Odyssey. It's a picnic table! Always a fucking PICNIC TABLE!!! And I just had to figure out whether or not Imamura could sit clockwise from Emma or counter-clockwise from Nadia! And then I have additional problems when my neighbors hear me repeatedly shout FUCK YOU NADIA! through the paper-thin walls and thus think I'm being abusive to my new Russian roommate-slave....

I am so getting trashed tonight...

[Beebs52]

So Clem, if we are all sitting at a round table and Beebs and I are not sitting next to each other, but the person sitting next to me has on a blue shirt and you are sitting next to someone without shoes and....

Now that was really evil...YOU are responsible for the carnage that ensues in his apartment!

Well, he said he wanted more humor!

Tell him I got Ovaltine with Kahlua (which sounds fairly disgusting). Send him to that other thread. It will divert his overtaxed mind.

[NellyLunatic1980]

I think it's time to abort the subject of abortion. Where's Thread Stopper when we need him?

[kayrharris]

You know what. I'm funny dammit. And I've been making all sorts of jokes all over the Bored this week and I think they're funny. And you guys are all sitting here arguing about abortions and Healthcare and all sorts of other serious crap but I'm supposed to bite my tongue and be okay with not even getting a fucking courtesy LOL once in a while?!?! Well no more! You're all so damn selfish and all you think about is yourselves. Well it's time you started thinking about me and how I feel! Screw you all! And now that you've been screwed at least you'll have a legitimate excuse to discuss abortions 'cuz now at least there's a chance that one of you is even fucking pregnant!!!

I hope you're happy.

Please refer to the highlighted section above. I have NEVER accused you of being unfunny. That is a MISSTATEMENT.

And if I get pregnant due to your epithet I'm suing you and my former ob-gyn for malpractice and undue dueness.

Yes, but you've allowed some of my funnier lines lately including but not limited to sexual fantasies involving Meredith Vieira, Britney Spears' bikinis, shitloads of pot, and orange juice cap ring thingies go by unnoticed. I'm crying inside! I feel unfunny! And nothing is worse than being unfunny! It's a huge hit to my ego and self-esteem and thus my unfunniness leads to me becoming unable to maintain an erection. In contrast when I am really funny I can maintain an erection for longer than four hours causing me the need to call a doctor immediately because I pay attention to those Viagra ads. But I digress. I need your support Beebs. And if you get pregnant you can name the kid Joey. And if you sue me I'll make you the first victim of the serial killing rampage that Fanny's been anticipating for so long.

That is all.

P.S. Please don't kill me Kay, I'm innocent! I don't know what an erection is, I'm just copying what the corrupt people say to sound cool and if it's anything bad then it's their fault and not mine!!!

Are you really infatuated with Meredith, btw?? Just wondering.


You made me laugh, really hard.


kay

[Estonut]

You know what. I'm funny dammit.

LOL - You've outdone yourself with that one, Joey!!!

[NellyLunatic1980]

P.S. Please don't kill me Kay, I'm innocent! I don't know what an erection is

[Lackadaisical Stumblebum]

I think it's time to abort the subject of abortion. Where's Thread Stopper when we need him?

I think, with one exception, posters in this thread had moved on from the subject already. However, while we're on the topic, I'd like to ask you a question (or anybody, I'm asking you because you are the one who said it in this thread). And, if this doesn't stop the thread then nothing will, because I have asked this question time and time again, here and elsewhere, and never gotten an answer.

I am anti-abortion (except for critical cases such as rape, incest, or potential death of the mother).

Why is a life that was created by an act of rape any less viable than one created by an act of two horny teenagers in the back seat of a Nash Rambler?

The rape/incest/death thing seems to be the Big Troika of Exceptions when people talk about being against abortion. I'm not asking for a 'correct' answer, just an answer as to how people justify this to themselves.

[Estonut]

I'd like to know why the loudest anti-abortion activists and, especially, the extremists (i.e. bombers, shooters, etc.) are generally men.

[franktangredi]

I'd like to know why the loudest anti-abortion activists and, especially, the extremists (i.e. bombers, shooters, etc.) are generally men.

Can you back this up? Because I sure have known many women who were firmly against abortion. And some of them were pretty vocal.