Speaking of search warrants

[plasticene]

I just get sick of the knee-jerk Juch-bashing. I roll my eyes plenty at BobJuch's posts, but I don't get why some people seem to feel compelled to jump on him every single time. I know he can take it, or he wouldn't keep asking for it, but the responses to his posts smell far worse to me than his. Saucy may have hit the nail on the head, but that doesn't mean she needed to post that foulness.

When I first joined the board, I was turned off by what appeared to be some insulting exchanges between peacock and bdm. It didn't take too long to figure out it was all in fun, but that first impression still left a bad taste in my mouth. The personal attacks on Juch are just completely unnecessary and bring down the tone of the [non-political part of the] board. He says plenty of stuff that is off-base, but he hardly ever aims to insult anybody. I'll take that anytime over the vitriol.

[christie1111]

Sorry plasticene, but I don't believe alot of the stuff that BobJ posts. Maybe he is being fed a line by his daughter or her kids. But this whole thing about sueing the police is unfounded if the police asked the manager to let them in and he did. They even left their card behind!

For the life of me, I can not believe they would open her computer to look for pictures. That part really rings false. And I don't know how long she was away from her computer but mine sleeps if I am away for awhile and I need a password to open it up. Since BobJ is a computer person, I am really surprised she does not have any security on her computer. And how does she know what they saw? If nothing else, she is wasting energy by having a computer on when she is not there.

Of course this does not come anywhere close to the whole ridiculous story of the kidnapping.

I think his family should be hanging around with a different type of people.

If he choses to post this stuff, then he is opening himself up to the disbelief of those on the Bored.

[Bob78164]

Sorry plasticene, but I don't believe alot of the stuff that BobJ posts. Maybe he is being fed a line by his daughter or her kids. But this whole thing about sueing the police is unfounded if the police asked the manager to let them in and he did. They even left their card behind!

If the facts are correct, she has a viable lawsuit that's probably worth enough money to get a lawyer interested. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

Sorry plasticene, but I don't believe alot of the stuff that BobJ posts. Maybe he is being fed a line by his daughter or her kids. But this whole thing about sueing the police is unfounded if the police asked the manager to let them in and he did. They even left their card behind!

If the facts are correct, she has a viable lawsuit that's probably worth enough money to get a lawyer interested. --Bob

True. Your constitutional rights don't depend on whether you own or rent the house you live in. And even if for some reason, the police entrance could be excused for exigent circumstances of looking for a child who might be in danger (which is a big stretch), one quick look around the apartment would have confirmed that the child wasn't there. It does not excuse rummaging through people's mail and computer who aren't even the people the police are looking for (assuming, of course, that Bob's version of the facts are true).

[minimetoo26]

I just get sick of the knee-jerk Juch-bashing. I roll my eyes plenty at BobJuch's posts, but I don't get why some people seem to feel compelled to jump on him every single time. I know he can take it, or he wouldn't keep asking for it, but the responses to his posts smell far worse to me than his. Saucy may have hit the nail on the head, but that doesn't mean she needed to post that foulness.

When I first joined the board, I was turned off by what appeared to be some insulting exchanges between peacock and bdm. It didn't take too long to figure out it was all in fun, but that first impression still left a bad taste in my mouth. The personal attacks on Juch are just completely unnecessary and bring down the tone of the [non-political part of the] board. He says plenty of stuff that is off-base, but he hardly ever aims to insult anybody. I'll take that anytime over the vitriol.

Thank you.

[The Real Todd Rundgren]

I just get sick of the knee-jerk Juch-bashing. I roll my eyes plenty at BobJuch's posts, but I don't get why some people seem to feel compelled to jump on him every single time. I know he can take it, or he wouldn't keep asking for it, but the responses to his posts smell far worse to me than his. Saucy may have hit the nail on the head, but that doesn't mean she needed to post that foulness.

When I first joined the board, I was turned off by what appeared to be some insulting exchanges between peacock and bdm. It didn't take too long to figure out it was all in fun, but that first impression still left a bad taste in my mouth. The personal attacks on Juch are just completely unnecessary and bring down the tone of the [non-political part of the] board. He says plenty of stuff that is off-base, but he hardly ever aims to insult anybody. I'll take that anytime over the vitriol.

Thank you.

For your support!

[minimetoo26]

I just get sick of the knee-jerk Juch-bashing. I roll my eyes plenty at BobJuch's posts, but I don't get why some people seem to feel compelled to jump on him every single time. I know he can take it, or he wouldn't keep asking for it, but the responses to his posts smell far worse to me than his. Saucy may have hit the nail on the head, but that doesn't mean she needed to post that foulness.

When I first joined the board, I was turned off by what appeared to be some insulting exchanges between peacock and bdm. It didn't take too long to figure out it was all in fun, but that first impression still left a bad taste in my mouth. The personal attacks on Juch are just completely unnecessary and bring down the tone of the [non-political part of the] board. He says plenty of stuff that is off-base, but he hardly ever aims to insult anybody. I'll take that anytime over the vitriol.

Thank you.

For your support!

Yeah, that was another one who could say the sky was blue and half the bored would rush over to contradict him...

[a1mamacat]

Thank you.

For your support!

Yeah, that was another one who could say the sky was blue and half the bored would rush over to contradict him...

Probably because he would say it at night, when there was a full cloud cover???

That one at least presented stories that were not straight out of scripts from made for tv movies.

[wintergreen48]

Wow, I just got off the phone with my daughter and it's worse than I thought at first:

Not only did they enter her apartment --- they could have just looked around, said "no kid here" and left --- but they used her computer to go on her Facebook account and print a photo of her and the girl. They also went through her mail. They took the photo around to the other apartments and asked if they had seen the girl. So now Heather has her neighbors wondering what's going on. Heather feels like she has to move now.

Heather had only picked up the girl and her father and took them to her apartment for an hour or so. It tuns out the girl's mother's mother had called the police initially and said her granddaughter had been missing for six days --- which was false. It seems this is actually a custody dispute. (Heather had called me at work so I didn't get the full details earlier.)

I can't believe what an egregious civil rights violation that was!

Wait a minute:

Heather had only picked up the girl and her father and took them to her apartment for an hour or so.

But the grandmother of the girl who apparently precipitated this knew that, and was able to 'alert' the police about it? And during that hour or so, Heather managed to get a picture taken of herself with the girl, and post it on her Facebook page? and the police knew about that, also? and the police downloaded that picture and showed it to other residents of the apartment building? and however many pictures Heather had on her Facebook page, the police knew that THIS was the picture to use, even though they obviously had no other picture of the girl? (if they had another picture of the girl, they would not have bothered to download the one Heather had on Facebook...) and after illegally entering the apartment, and NOT finding what they were looking for, the police left a calling card so that Heather would know whom to sue?

This is much like the kidnapping story you shocked everyone with a while ago, where each posting added new details, each more bizarre than the one before, until it turned out that the whole thing was just a steamy pile of ordure, another fantasy spun by an obviously troubled young lady .

Given the history here, and the ridiculosity of what is provided in this particular thread, I think Saucy should be commended for her restraint in calling BS on this.

[Bob Juch]

Wow, I just got off the phone with my daughter and it's worse than I thought at first:

Not only did they enter her apartment --- they could have just looked around, said "no kid here" and left --- but they used her computer to go on her Facebook account and print a photo of her and the girl. They also went through her mail. They took the photo around to the other apartments and asked if they had seen the girl. So now Heather has her neighbors wondering what's going on. Heather feels like she has to move now.

Heather had only picked up the girl and her father and took them to her apartment for an hour or so. It tuns out the girl's mother's mother had called the police initially and said her granddaughter had been missing for six days --- which was false. It seems this is actually a custody dispute. (Heather had called me at work so I didn't get the full details earlier.)

I can't believe what an egregious civil rights violation that was!

Wait a minute:

Heather had only picked up the girl and her father and took them to her apartment for an hour or so.

But the grandmother of the girl who apparently precipitated this knew that, and was able to 'alert' the police about it? And during that hour or so, Heather managed to get a picture taken of herself with the girl, and post it on her Facebook page? and the police knew about that, also? and the police downloaded that picture and showed it to other residents of the apartment building? and however many pictures Heather had on her Facebook page, the police knew that THIS was the picture to use, even though they obviously had no other picture of the girl? (if they had another picture of the girl, they would not have bothered to download the one Heather had on Facebook...) and after illegally entering the apartment, and NOT finding what they were looking for, the police left a calling card so that Heather would know whom to sue?

This is much like the kidnapping story you shocked everyone with a while ago, where each posting added new details, each more bizarre than the one before, until it turned out that the whole thing was just a steamy pile of ordure, another fantasy spun by an obviously troubled young lady .

Given the history here, and the ridiculosity of what is provided in this particular thread, I think Saucy should be commended for her restraint in calling BS on this.

The grandmother was talking with her daughter, the girl's mother, who knew where her boyfriend and their daughter had gone. What she didn't know is that Heather had told them they couldn't stay with her so they left.

The photo was probably an old one. Facebook allows you to caption and tag photos so the police knew which was the right one. They didn't download it, they printed it on her printer. Her neighbors said the police showed it to them and described it as coming from her Facebook page.

Brittany's kidnapping was not made up. I posted what was happening as I got the details. As in any "breaking news" story, the full facts weren't known in realtime. I believe I posted the details after Brittany was back home and things had calmed down. She gave me much more graphic details (that I will not post here) when she came to visit and as we were driving from Denver to South Carolina after she decided to move close to me. I helped her remove the adhesive from the police evidence seals from her SUV.

[Weyoun]

I'm all for knee jerk attacks, but I feel Bob's daughter is in the right here, and at best the police handled this in a clumsy matter, which is how they handle many things. I mean, for crying out loud, don't walk around with a photo implicating Bob's daughter to her neighbors unless you know Bob's daughter should be implicated.

I'm not a big financial recompense guy, since governments are black holes and the penalties don't hurt them like they would you or me. I think the cops going around and personally apologizing, along side paying to have the damage repaired, is appropriate.

(With the caveat that this story is true)

[Flybrick]

One would think that the police, if having gone into someone's apartment AND leaving a business card, might have a vague clue of what they are doing. One also wonders at what the other (their) side of the story might be.

One also finds it ironic that some here are the first to be outraged by the tactics and techniques used by the police yet will still call those same police when the pooh hits the fan. I bet those tactics aren't so outrageous then.


As to the thread starter, there does seem to be a history of:

edited to remove a photo that BobJ found offensive.

At least this is the mental image I conjure when I see BobJ's digital finger prints.

[Bob Juch]

One would think that the police, if having gone into someone's apartment AND leaving a business card, might have a vague clue of what they are doing. One also wonders at what the other (their) side of the story might be.

One also finds it ironic that some here are the first to be outraged by the tactics and techniques used by the police yet will still call those same police when the pooh hits the fan. I bet those tactics aren't so outrageous then.


As to the thread starter, there does seem to be a history of:



At least this is the mental image I conjure when I see BobJ's digital finger prints.

With all due respect, fuck you.

[Flybrick]

I assure you, there is no respect.

But, I will amend my post and apologize for the photo.


But it IS what I think of when I read your posts.

[Estonut]

Brittany's kidnapping was not made up. I posted what was happening as I got the details. As in any "breaking news" story, the full facts weren't known in realtime.

Any "breaking news" story about interstate kidnapping over multiple days leading to forced prostitution and involving law enforcement intervention would be covered by a reputable news agency somewhere. At the time, I searched and searched and was unable to find a smidgen of corroboration.

[Estonut]

He says plenty of stuff that is off-base, but he hardly ever aims to insult anybody.

You've got to be kidding. Prolly half of his posts are deliberate attempts to insult and/or provoke conservatives/Republicans and to insult the intelligence of everyone.

[TheConfessor]

I just get sick of the knee-jerk Juch-bashing. I roll my eyes plenty at BobJuch's posts, but I don't get why some people seem to feel compelled to jump on him every single time. I know he can take it, or he wouldn't keep asking for it, but the responses to his posts smell far worse to me than his. Saucy may have hit the nail on the head, but that doesn't mean she needed to post that foulness.

When I first joined the board, I was turned off by what appeared to be some insulting exchanges between peacock and bdm. It didn't take too long to figure out it was all in fun, but that first impression still left a bad taste in my mouth. The personal attacks on Juch are just completely unnecessary and bring down the tone of the [non-political part of the] board. He says plenty of stuff that is off-base, but he hardly ever aims to insult anybody. I'll take that anytime over the vitriol.

Thank you.

I take some of what Bob says with a grain of salt, and I ignore a lot of it, but I find the relentless knee-jerk Juch bashing at least as unpleasant as whatever prompts it. Carry on.

[plasticene]

He says plenty of stuff that is off-base, but he hardly ever aims to insult anybody.

You've got to be kidding. Prolly half of his posts are deliberate attempts to insult and/or provoke conservatives/Republicans and to insult the intelligence of everyone.

I guess I wasn't precise enough. I intended to exclude political threads, where there's plenty of incivility and intractability on all sides, and the perpetrators all seem to be satisfied with the status quo. On top of that, Bob's insults are usually aimed at either public figures or at conservatives in general, while his enemies prefer to attack him personally. Not that there's anything wrong with that! He's blatantly asking for it, after all.

But when he tells a story about his family, no matter how outlandish, it may warrant skepticism, but it doesn't warrant a hateful attack, which is how I read Saucy's post. I apologize to her if she's offended by anything I've said, because I admire her and that's not my intention.

[Estonut]

He says plenty of stuff that is off-base, but he hardly ever aims to insult anybody.

You've got to be kidding. Prolly half of his posts are deliberate attempts to insult and/or provoke conservatives/Republicans and to insult the intelligence of everyone.

I guess I wasn't precise enough. I intended to exclude political threads, where there's plenty of incivility and intractability on all sides, and the perpetrators all seem to be satisfied with the status quo. On top of that, Bob's insults are usually aimed at either public figures or at conservatives in general, while his enemies prefer to attack him personally. Not that there's anything wrong with that! He's blatantly asking for it, after all.

But when he tells a story about his family, no matter how outlandish, it may warrant skepticism, but it doesn't warrant a hateful attack, which is how I read Saucy's post. I apologize to her if she's offended by anything I've said, because I admire her and that's not my intention.

Thanks for taking the time to expand on that.

[Bob Juch]

Brittany's kidnapping was not made up. I posted what was happening as I got the details. As in any "breaking news" story, the full facts weren't known in realtime.

Any "breaking news" story about interstate kidnapping over multiple days leading to forced prostitution and involving law enforcement intervention would be covered by a reputable news agency somewhere. At the time, I searched and searched and was unable to find a smidgen of corroboration.

It made the news in Minneapolis but the Denver tie-in and the names of the victims were not mentioned.

[Beebs52]

He says plenty of stuff that is off-base, but he hardly ever aims to insult anybody.

You've got to be kidding. Prolly half of his posts are deliberate attempts to insult and/or provoke conservatives/Republicans and to insult the intelligence of everyone.

I guess I wasn't precise enough. I intended to exclude political threads, where there's plenty of incivility and intractability on all sides, and the perpetrators all seem to be satisfied with the status quo. On top of that, Bob's insults are usually aimed at either public figures or at conservatives in general, while his enemies prefer to attack him personally. Not that there's anything wrong with that! He's blatantly asking for it, after all.

But when he tells a story about his family, no matter how outlandish, it may warrant skepticism, but it doesn't warrant a hateful attack, which is how I read Saucy's post. I apologize to her if she's offended by anything I've said, because I admire her and that's not my intention.

Actually, many times his posts are directly aimed at bored peeps specifically because of their ideology and those posts tend to be out of the blue and inflammatory and obviously pointy sticky, which is fine, and he should expect repercussion. And, if one's veracity is questioned at times it's because of past dubiousness in other areas which tends to carry over into other discussions. I personally doubt a lot of the stories concerning the children and question a parent's reporting these weird and wonderful antics on a message board, with little subsequent backup and with a strange detachment about the whole situation. He IS a scriptwriter after all. I find it odd. And, Saucy's "attack" wasn't hateful. So, I respectfully, seriously in this case, disagree.

[littlebeast13]

I assure you, there is no respect.

But, I will amend my post and apologize for the photo.

Had I done the avatar I was considering along those lines this morning, he would have gleefully said FOUND IT!

lb13

[littlebeast13]

And for the record, I only posted this morning to defend Saucy, not add more gasoline to the Juch bonfire.

Bob could take some advice from my junior high vice principal if he really wanted to change the way he's treated around here, but then he'd fade into the background and be irrelevant, and he wouldn't have that....

lb13

[Estonut]

Brittany's kidnapping was not made up. I posted what was happening as I got the details. As in any "breaking news" story, the full facts weren't known in realtime.

Any "breaking news" story about interstate kidnapping over multiple days leading to forced prostitution and involving law enforcement intervention would be covered by a reputable news agency somewhere. At the time, I searched and searched and was unable to find a smidgen of corroboration.

It made the news in Minneapolis but the Denver tie-in and the names of the victims were not mentioned.

Interesting. My aunt, who lives in Minneapolis, watches the news two or three times a day. I asked her to be on the lookout for any kidnapping stories. She didn't see any. Over the summer, I was able to look through a couple weeks' worth of the Star-Tribune that she had saved for me, and I saw nothing there, either. I don't know how we could have missed it.

[Bob Juch]

Any "breaking news" story about interstate kidnapping over multiple days leading to forced prostitution and involving law enforcement intervention would be covered by a reputable news agency somewhere. At the time, I searched and searched and was unable to find a smidgen of corroboration.

It made the news in Minneapolis but the Denver tie-in and the names of the victims were not mentioned.

Interesting. My aunt, who lives in Minneapolis, watches the news two or three times a day. I asked her to be on the lookout for any kidnapping stories. She didn't see any. Over the summer, I was able to look through a couple weeks' worth of the Star-Tribune that she had saved for me, and I saw nothing there, either. I don't know how we could have missed it.

It wasn't billed as kidnapping but just as a "prostitution ring". I found it at the time the arrests were made but I can't now, too much noise.