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R.I.P. Christopher Stevens - U.S. ambassador to Libya
BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff were killed in a rocket attack on their car, a Libyan official said, as they were rushed from a consular building stormed by militants denouncing a U.S.-made film insulting the Prophet Mohammad.
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http://www.popehat.com/2012/09/11/u-s-e ... gle+ReaderBut you know what? I'm not going to sit by quietly when you issue a pusillanimous press release misstating and abandoning core American values.
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."
Every sentence of this is chock-full of un-American bullshit. Yes, I said un-American. And I meant it.
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feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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There are reports that 2 of the dead were U.S. Marines.
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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I had to check. The USS New York is with the 5th Fleet in the Persian Gulf.
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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The news I saw just before leaving for work said he died of smoke inhalation after the consulate was set on fire.BackInTex wrote:BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff were killed in a rocket attack on their car, a Libyan official said, as they were rushed from a consular building stormed by militants denouncing a U.S.-made film insulting the Prophet Mohammad.
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I blame Sam Bacile and Terry Jones for his death.
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themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:http://www.popehat.com/2012/09/11/u-s-e ... gle+ReaderBut you know what? I'm not going to sit by quietly when you issue a pusillanimous press release misstating and abandoning core American values.
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."
Every sentence of this is chock-full of un-American bullshit. Yes, I said un-American. And I meant it.
Statement by the President on the Attack in Benghazi
I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi, which took the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens. Right now, the American people have the families of those we lost in our thoughts and prayers. They exemplified America's commitment to freedom, justice, and partnership with nations and people around the globe, and stand in stark contrast to those who callously took their lives.
I have directed my Administration to provide all necessary resources to support the security of our personnel in Libya, and to increase security at our diplomatic posts around the globe. While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.
On a personal note, Chris was a courageous and exemplary representative of the United States. Throughout the Libyan revolution, he selflessly served our country and the Libyan people at our mission in Benghazi. As Ambassador in Tripoli, he has supported Libya's transition to democracy. His legacy will endure wherever human beings reach for liberty and justice. I am profoundly grateful for his service to my Administration, and deeply saddened by this loss.
The brave Americans we lost represent the extraordinary service and sacrifices that our civilians make every day around the globe. As we stand united with their families, let us now redouble our own efforts to carry their work forward.
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So sad. Shane on the filmmaker who took advantage of American freedom of speech to spew his ugly bigotry, and shame on the Middle Eastern religious leaders who urged violence in retaliation.
I can't blame the Cairo embassy, even though their statement contradicts American principles. They were trying to avoid even greater loss of life.
I can't blame the Cairo embassy, even though their statement contradicts American principles. They were trying to avoid even greater loss of life.
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What part of their statement contradicts American principles?jarnon wrote:So sad. Shane on the filmmaker who took advantage of American freedom of speech to spew his ugly bigotry, and shame on the Middle Eastern religious leaders who urged violence in retaliation.
I can't blame the Cairo embassy, even though their statement contradicts American principles. They were trying to avoid even greater loss of life.
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The part where they failed to defend unpopular speech from a threat of violent response. (At the time the Embassy issued its unauthorized statement, the protests had not yet become violent.) We don't knuckle under to the heckler's veto. That's why the Administration has disavowed it. --BobBob Juch wrote:What part of their statement contradicts American principles?jarnon wrote:So sad. Shane on the filmmaker who took advantage of American freedom of speech to spew his ugly bigotry, and shame on the Middle Eastern religious leaders who urged violence in retaliation.
I can't blame the Cairo embassy, even though their statement contradicts American principles. They were trying to avoid even greater loss of life.
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
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According to at least one story, Libyans fought alongside embassy security (who I assume were U.S. Marines) in an effort to protect Ambassador Stevens.
One further remark: Romney flat-out blew this one, further demonstrating, in my view, that at least in foreign relations, he's simply not ready for prime time. Rather than waiting a bit until he had some actual facts, he issued the following Juchian statement:
One further remark: Romney flat-out blew this one, further demonstrating, in my view, that at least in foreign relations, he's simply not ready for prime time. Rather than waiting a bit until he had some actual facts, he issued the following Juchian statement:
Romney was referring to the Embassy's unauthorized statement, which happened before the attacks (and therefore could not have condemned them). Here's the Administration's actual first response:Candidate Mitt Romney wrote:I'm outraged by the attacks on American diplomatic missions in Libya and Egypt and by the death of an American consulate worker in Benghazi. It's disgraceful that the Obama administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.
Immediately after Secretary Clinton's remarks, John McCain endorsed them (via Twitter). --BobSecretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote:Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. Our commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. But let me be clear: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind.
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So you say American principles are opposite to this part of the statement: "Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."? That we should support thier actions?Bob78164 wrote:The part where they failed to defend unpopular speech from a threat of violent response. (At the time the Embassy issued its unauthorized statement, the protests had not yet become violent.) We don't knuckle under to the heckler's veto. That's why the Administration has disavowed it. --BobBob Juch wrote:What part of their statement contradicts American principles?jarnon wrote:So sad. Shane on the filmmaker who took advantage of American freedom of speech to spew his ugly bigotry, and shame on the Middle Eastern religious leaders who urged violence in retaliation.
I can't blame the Cairo embassy, even though their statement contradicts American principles. They were trying to avoid even greater loss of life.
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I didn't like this part: "The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims." Usually we say, "we disagree with them but support their right to express their opinions." But when someone's surrounded by an angry mob and trying to prevent violence, I don't quibble about their choice of words.
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Of course you do.Bob Juch wrote: I blame Sam Bacile and Terry Jones for his death.
And you are free to express that opinion without anyone killing someone else because you express it.
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And Obama was? Paaaallllleeeeezzzzeee!Bob78164 wrote: One further remark: Romney flat-out blew this one, further demonstrating, in my view, that at least in foreign relations, he's simply not ready for prime time.
He may have spoken too soon. Obama's ticket that hat any foreign policy experience does that on an hourly basis.
Besides, it is Obama's foreign policy that has allowed, no, enabled the lawlessness and destablization of the region. He applauded it, in fact.
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By the way, this isn't the first time Romney has completely stepped in it in connection with an ongoing foreign policy issue. (I'm not talking here about his stupid remarks in London.) In May (in an incident that completely escaped my notice at the time), Romney strongly criticized the Administration for its handling of Chinese dissident Chen Guangcheng. Just one problem. It turns out that the Administration was, at the time, quietly negotiating with China behind the scenes for his release, which was achieved less than three weeks later. --Bob
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I just found out he went to my high school: Piedmont, California.
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The House Intelligence Committee has issued its report. --Bob
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I have to say I'm surprised, not by the fact that the talk radio accusations were shown to be unfounded, but that the Republican-controlled House Committee would come up with these findings instead of continuing to string people along.Bob78164 wrote:The House Intelligence Committee has issued its report. --Bob
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Why not, now that the election is over?silverscreenselect wrote:I have to say I'm surprised, not by the fact that the talk radio accusations were shown to be unfounded, but that the Republican-controlled House Committee would come up with these findings instead of continuing to string people along.Bob78164 wrote:The House Intelligence Committee has issued its report. --Bob
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There are at least some Republicans, apparently, who are attempting to pivot to actual governing. John Kasich got my attention at the Republican Governors Association. I still suspect that the Republican Party is incapable of nominating moderates for the Presidency, but if Kasich does win the nomination, I'll give him a look in the general. --Bobsilverscreenselect wrote:I have to say I'm surprised, not by the fact that the talk radio accusations were shown to be unfounded, but that the Republican-controlled House Committee would come up with these findings instead of continuing to string people along.Bob78164 wrote:The House Intelligence Committee has issued its report. --Bob
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Sure, the nominee won't be someone you and I call moderate (and BiT calls a RINO), but Bush, McCain and Romney are all moderates compared to their primary opponents, like Rick Perry.Bob78164 wrote:I still suspect that the Republican Party is incapable of nominating moderates for the Presidency.
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Goes to show how much the political landscape has changed in a short time if John Kasich is considered a moderate.
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When Democrats allowed talk radio hosts to paint Barack Obama, a moderate-to-conservative Democrat on many issues, as a radical leftist, they succeeded in moving the "center" in American politics farther to the right than it's ever been.mrkelley23 wrote:Goes to show how much the political landscape has changed in a short time if John Kasich is considered a moderate.
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Those of you familiar with the Benghazi Brief will note the alignment and expectation of the Rogers/Ruppersberger report. Their report is exactly as we anticipated it would be.
Warning Breibart Link http://bit.ly/1vfMmt3With a House Select Committee (Trey Gowdy) already in place, you might rightly ask yourself why did Mike Rogers and Dutch Ruppersberger even produce a report? As you read their House Intelligence Panel Report on Benghazi it is important to note a few key aspects:
• Both Mike Rogers and Dutch Ruppersberger are members of the Congressional Gang of Eight. They are the ONLY authors.
• This is not a House Intelligence “Committee” report on Benghazi. This is only two committee members writing a report based on prior information.
• Both Rogers and Ruppersberger would have been briefed on the CIA operations in Benghazi during 2011/2012 as the covert operation began.
• President Obama signed a finding memo in 2011 permitting Operation Zero Footprint to begin. The congressional “gang of eight” held oversight responsibilities.
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it.
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Revolution is when you decide that for yourself.
-- Benjamin Franklin (maybe)