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... for hacking the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign.

It turns out that Trump's meeting with Putin is coming at a very opportune time. He's going to need to get some new marching orders and talking points from his handler, Vladimir, and what better way to get things straight than in a secret meeting.

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... for hacking the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign.

It turns out that Trump's meeting with Putin is coming at a very opportune time. He's going to need to get some new marching orders and talking points from his handler, Vladimir, and what better way to get things straight than in a secret meeting.


I thought Vladimir was Obama's handler?

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How many of those 12 officers worked on Trump's campaign? None? Wow, glad Mueller is hard at work protecting "our" interests.

Why did Putin ask Trump to warn Germany against signing the agreement to use Russian natural gas? Answer: He didn't.


SSS, do you realize how foolish this all looks? Or do you even care?

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... for hacking the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign.

It turns out that Trump's meeting with Putin is coming at a very opportune time. He's going to need to get some new marching orders and talking points from his handler, Vladimir, and what better way to get things straight than in a secret meeting.


I hear they will be joined by the Nazis from Tacoma.


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Here's the indictment. It's probably a good idea to read it before criticizing it. --Bob

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Here's the indictment. It's probably a good idea to read it before criticizing it. --Bob


Not sure who you are chastising here, bob-tel. If you are going to be an effective Ultimate Moral Authority, you need to be more specific.


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SSS, do you realize how foolish this all looks? Or do you even care?


The fool will be in Helsinki babbling his usual nonsense while Putin look son and smiles.

Trump blaming Germany for cozying up with Russian is the same strategy he's used when he accused Hillary of cozying up with Russia. Trying to shift the focus away from himself.

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Wow, glad Mueller is hard at work protecting "our" interests.


If by "our" interests, you mean the interest of the United States in having elections that are free from interference by concerted efforts by intelligence officials of another major world power, then I would say he is definitely protecting our interests.

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Wow, glad Mueller is hard at work protecting "our" interests.


If by "our" interests, you mean the interest of the United States in having elections that are free from interference by concerted efforts by intelligence officials of another major world power, then I would say he is definitely protecting our interests.


Remind me who paid for Russian "intelligence" on a political opponent. I thought it was theClinton Campaign and the DNC, but your statement above seems to indicate you think it was the Trump campaign.

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Here's the indictment. It's probably a good idea to read it before criticizing it. --Bob


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The Conspirators also released documents they had stolen in other spearphising operations, including those they had conducted in 2015 that collected email from individuals affiliated with the Republican Party.


Wow, why have we not heard about this?

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Bob78164 wrote:
Here's the indictment. It's probably a good idea to read it before criticizing it. --Bob


Lots of interesting tidbits here:

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[The defendants] were GRU officers who knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other, and with persons known and unknown to the Grand Jury


There's probably a lot of very nervous Trumpsters tying to guess if they are on the "known" to the Grand Jury list.

And there's two things to take from this indictment in general: (1) Once again Mueller and his people have done tons of investigation, and these indictments lay out a hacking and disinformation campaign in frightening detail. The question arises, who did the talking to them, and what else do these sources know; and (2) once again these indictments come as a complete surprise to the press corps and the political world at large. There was nothing at all to indicate that Mueller was up to something big until this morning when the press conference was announced.

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BiT: Are you trying to make the case that Russian Intelligence (specifically, the GRU) WASN'T deliberately attempting to interfere with our election? That they didn't violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (which is what I said last year I expected the evidence to show)?

Or are you merely saying that it's okay because the GRU did so independently, without the knowledge and cooperation of Donny's campaign? Because it's obviously far too early to reach the latter conclusion with any confidence at all. The most you can credibly say here is that more investigation is necessary. When Donny spends 11 hours publicly answering questions under oath before a Congressional Committee, we can have a discussion about whether the investigation has found all there is to find. --Bob

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Wow, glad Mueller is hard at work protecting "our" interests.


If by "our" interests, you mean the interest of the United States in having elections that are free from interference by concerted efforts by intelligence officials of another major world power, then I would say he is definitely protecting our interests.


Remind me who paid for Russian "intelligence" on a political opponent. I thought it was theClinton Campaign and the DNC, but your statement above seems to indicate you think it was the Trump campaign.


I'm not surprised that you would equate field research work done by a British intelligence expert, much of which was already in the public domain, with large scale covert hacking and leaking operations.

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BiT: Are you trying to make the case that Russian Intelligence (specifically, the GRU) WASN'T deliberately attempting to interfere with our election? That they didn't violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (which is what I said last year I expected the evidence to show)?

Or are you merely saying that it's okay because the GRU did so independently, without the knowledge and cooperation of Donny's campaign? Because it's obviously far too early to reach the latter conclusion with any confidence at all. The most you can credibly say here is that more investigation is necessary. When Donny spends 11 hours publicly answering questions under oath before a Congressional Committee, we can have a discussion about whether the investigation has found all there is to find. --Bob


And if you're wondering why Trump has bee a bit testier than usual lately, it's because Rosenstein briefed him on the indictments earlier this week.

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The names of the defendants: Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, Boris Alekseyevich Antonov, Dmitriy Sergeyevich Badin, Ivan Sergeyevich Yermakov, Aleksey Viktorovich Lukashev, Sergey Aleksandrovich Morgachev, Nikolay Yuryevich Kozachek, Pavel Vyacheslavovich Yershov, Artem Andreyevich Malyshev, Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk, Aleksey Aleksandrovich Potemkin & Anatoliy Sergeyevich Kovalev.

They should try to keep old farts like me who remember the Cold War off the jury. Those names all sound guilty, especially Badin and Potemkin. They'd do better with innocent-sounding names like Anna Chapman.

And if they were hoping to share a cell with Stormy Daniels, they're out of luck.


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Those names all sound guilty, especially Badin and Potemkin.


Curiously missing from the list of indictments are Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale. I know they're involved.

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The names of the defendants: Viktor Borisovich Netyksho, Boris Alekseyevich Antonov, Dmitriy Sergeyevich Badin, Ivan Sergeyevich Yermakov, Aleksey Viktorovich Lukashev, Sergey Aleksandrovich Morgachev, Nikolay Yuryevich Kozachek, Pavel Vyacheslavovich Yershov, Artem Andreyevich Malyshev, Aleksandr Vladimirovich Osadchuk, Aleksey Aleksandrovich Potemkin & Anatoliy Sergeyevich Kovalev.



It's a "-vich hunt!""

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Intelligence officers do not get indicted! We get shot, or poisoned, or blown up in fancy black cars. The spy union is going to hear about this travesty! Now where did I put my exploding stationery?

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When Donny spends 11 hours publicly answering questions under oath before a Congressional Committee, we can have a discussion about whether the investigation has found all there is to find. --Bob


He can do it right after Hillary does it. I don't mind.

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When Donny spends 11 hours publicly answering questions under oath before a Congressional Committee, we can have a discussion about whether the investigation has found all there is to find. --Bob

He can do it right after Hillary does it. I don't mind.

You have apparently missed that she did.

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When Donny spends 11 hours publicly answering questions under oath before a Congressional Committee, we can have a discussion about whether the investigation has found all there is to find. --Bob

He can do it right after Hillary does it. I don't mind.

You have apparently missed that she did.


She did not. Give a date if you think so. Link to the video.

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He can do it right after Hillary does it. I don't mind.

You have apparently missed that she did.


She did not. Give a date if you think so. Link to the video.


She did during the Benghazi hearing, but not anything related to the campaign. That is what I am referring to. She was interviewed,in private, not under oath, by the FBI.

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You have apparently missed that she did.


She did not. Give a date if you think so. Link to the video.


She did during the Benghazi hearing, but not anything related to the campaign. That is what I am referring to. She was interviewed,in private, not under oath, by the FBI.
Well, Donny's got a lot more to answer for. His policies have been awfully friendly to Russia. And remember that day when Donny asked the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton's e-mails? It turns out that their first attempt to do just that was a few hours later.

We already know that the Russians were in contact with Donny's campaign. If he knew they were cooperating with him and also knew they had the capability of actually doing so, that sounds like solicitation of a criminal act. Of course, since Donny's knowledge is key, the only way for him to lay this question to rest is to answer the Special Prosecutor's questions.

I wonder why he doesn't want to. In any event, until we know everything there is to know about American cooperation with the GRU's efforts, the investigation must continue. --Bob

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BackInTex wrote:
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You have apparently missed that she did.


She did not. Give a date if you think so. Link to the video.


She did during the Benghazi hearing, but not anything related to the campaign. That is what I am referring to. She was interviewed,in private, not under oath, by the FBI.

Lying to the FBI is just as criminal as lying under oath, as some of trumps associates have found out, with more to come.

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Wow, why have we not heard about this?
In 2015, individuals affiliated with the Republican Party were conservatives who disliked Russia. Trump has turned the GOP upside down.


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