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I agree the question is ambiguous, but I strongly suspect they mean the wheel-and-cog experiments that took place shortly after the discovery of Neptune. Those are the first experiments that resulted in a value relatively close to the currently accepted value. --Bob



Don't know what wheel-and-cog experiment you're referring to, but Olaus Roemer correctly calculated the speed of light to three significant digits in the 1670s, by using careful examination of Io, the moon of Jupiter that Galileo had so carefully observed. Three sig figs is pretty damn good by any standard.
As I understand it, Roemer's work relied on knowledge of the size of the AU, which wasn't then known to that precision. --Bob


Sorry, Bob- I'm guessing you're not right on this one.

Speed of light was known with decent precision by the mid-to-late 1800s.

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Don't know what wheel-and-cog experiment you're referring to, but Olaus Roemer correctly calculated the speed of light to three significant digits in the 1670s, by using careful examination of Io, the moon of Jupiter that Galileo had so carefully observed. Three sig figs is pretty damn good by any standard.
As I understand it, Roemer's work relied on knowledge of the size of the AU, which wasn't then known to that precision. --Bob


Sorry, Bob- I'm guessing you're not right on this one.

Speed of light was known with decent precision by the mid-to-late 1800s.
But Neptune was discovered in 1845.

The Colorado site Mr. K linked is the only one I've found so far that says Roemer was close to the correct value. Other sites say either that Roemer didn't convert his observations into a value for c or say that his estimate (which relied on the then-accepted value for the diameter of Earth's orbit) was approximately 200,000 km/sec. --Bob

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As I understand it, Roemer's work relied on knowledge of the size of the AU, which wasn't then known to that precision. --Bob


Sorry, Bob- I'm guessing you're not right on this one.

Speed of light was known with decent precision by the mid-to-late 1800s.
But Neptune was discovered in 1845.

The Colorado site Mr. K linked is the only one I've found so far that says Roemer was close to the correct value. Other sites say either that Roemer didn't convert his observations into a value for c or say that his estimate (which relied on the then-accepted value for the diameter of Earth's orbit) was approximately 200,000 km/sec. --Bob


Oy. Depending on how you choose to interpret Wiki's article on it, the correct value could be thought of as being published by DeLambre in 1809, still significantly before Neptune. And the context of the question seems to make it clear that it's not the speed of light to any number of sig figs, but the fact that there was a definite speed of light, and that light did not travel instantaneously from one place to another. And that was most definitely a mid-to-late 1600s discovery.

Roemer's "experiments" (really more observations, but fall within the broad umbrella of the general idea of experiment) were screwed up by the media, but his point was that the speed of light could be expressed as a ratio of the distance from Sun to Earth compared to distance from Sun to Io. So even though the AU became increasingly refined, the ratio rgument was correct, which is why Roemer is given credit for the three sig figs, even though he didn't know how far away the Sun was at the time.

Here are a few more sites, just in case you want more background on Roemer:

http://www.physlink.com/Education/askExperts/ae22.cfm
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ole_Rømer[/url]
http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-165298.html
http://www.rundetaarn.dk/engelsk/observatorium/light.htm

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I'm guessing this won't be cleared up until/unless we have someone get this question right on the Phone Game.

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I assume this thread will lose Sticky status tomorrow. I've added it to the Bored Reference Thread so we can find it again when they announce the next incarnation of the Phone Game. --Bob

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Q1: It Takes a Village

Q2: Arrange the following words and phrases to form the state motto of Kentucky:

1. We Fall
2. We Stand
3. United
4. Divided

OK easy enough, but…well I’m not sure what I punched in. My biggest problem with this version of the phone game has been Fast Fred. I can’t write as fast as he can talk and I find myself taking what could best be described as bad notes.

These are what my notes look like:

We Tall.....We Sta.....Unt.....Div..........which I still should have been able to rescue it and put together the correct phrase. I think I may have my wife teach me shorthand for possible future games. :wink:

Congratulations to all those who are awaiting a call, I know that The Bored is going to represent big on PT BAM in August! And if anyone needs a PAF who mainly knows music (at least up until about 2001) I’m here for you, otherwise I’ll be sitting in front of my TV rooting hard.

And hey, there’s still SyndiBam, and Meredith is better looking than Regis, sorry Reg but you know it’s true.

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Congratulations to all those who are awaiting a call, I know that The Bored is going to represent big on PT BAM in August! And if anyone needs a PAF who mainly knows music (at least up until about 2001) I’m here for you, otherwise I’ll be sitting in front of my TV rooting hard.
I'm sorry about your result. If I do get The Call, please know that I've always thought of you as being on my short list of potential PAFs for exactly this reason -- music is a relative weakness. --Bob

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I found my notes for Sunday's questions, so I add them here to make the reference more complete:

Q1. Presidents in order, starting with the earliest:

1. Old Hickory
2. JFK
3. Father of his country
4. FDR

[Reveal] Spoiler:
3-1-4-2


Q2. Architectural styles in order, starting with the earliest:

1. American colonial
2. High Tech
3. (Ancient) Greek 9not sure about ancient)
4. Art Noveau

3-1-4-2 was my guess, I think. When I got this right, I figured I must have been fated to win.

Q3. Singers by birth, starting with the most recent

1. Jennifer Lopez
2. Jon Bon Jovi
3. Joni Mitchell
4. Jessica Simpson

4-1-2-3

Q4. Medical discoveries chronologically, starting with the earliest

1. structure of DNA
2. AIDS virus
3. Penicillin
4. Rabies Virus

4-3-1-2

Question 5 was the credit card question I've posted earlier.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:30 am 
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Done in by Q4.

Q1. THe EXIT question

Q2. Rockers in order of birth
1. Bowie
2. Bono
3. Lambert
4. Kravetz
1,2,4,3

Q3. Weight in order from the MOST
1. 1/2 lb
2. ounce
3. Kilo
4. 1/2 ton
Too easy

Q4. Bodies of water according to water surface, largest first
1. Lake Okeechobee
2. Caspian Sea
3. Lake Vicktoria
4. Lake Erie
2,4,3,1 I switched Victoria and Erie. I'm a dumbshit

So, it's over. I didn't qually. Gave it my best shot. Flamed out only because I ran into questions outside of my knowledge and also because the questions had not been given to anyone else. That's the way it goes. I want to thank everyone who participated in posting questions. Without a doubt it is a HUGE help to those of us who are trying to get on the show.

Best of luck to everyone who's OTC. Do us proud and take all their fucking money !!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:34 am 
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So, it's over. I didn't qually. Gave it my best shot. Flamed out only because I ran into questions outside of my knowledge and also because the questions had not been given to anyone else. That's the way it goes. I want to thank everyone who participated in posting questions. Without a doubt it is a HUGE help to those of us who are trying to get on the show.
I'm sorry for your result, Ace. --Bob

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A particularly nasty question, posted over at ken-jennings.com:

Put the following fowl in order according to their average weight, from lightest to heaviest:
1) Tom turkey
2) Capon
3) Broiler
4) Cornish-Rock


Yikes! That's why you call every day for 10 days.

http://www.ken-jennings.com/messageboards/viewtopic.php?t=4902

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themanwho wrote:
I found my notes for Sunday's questions, so I add them here to make the reference more complete:

Q1. Presidents in order, starting with the earliest:

1. Old Hickory
2. JFK
3. Father of his country
4. FDR

[Reveal] Spoiler:
3-1-4-2
-M


How crazy is it that THAT was A Question 1, and THIS (below) was a Question 5 (page 6 of this thread) on Takinover's JFF call!

Q5. Put these presidential nicknames in the order that they served, starting with the oldest

1. Old Hickory
2. The Sage of Monticello
3. Honest Abe
4. The Father of His Country

Are they that different in difficulty? (oh, I am asking that rhetorically!) :roll: :wink:


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I thought I'd posted this last night, after my final attempt to qualify, but I must have fumble-fingered the submission. Figures. :lol:

Q1 Arrange these historical events in chronological order, starting with the earliest:
1. Caesar crosses the Rubicon
2. Columbus crosses the Atlantic
3. Lindbergh crosses the Atlantic
4. Washington crosses the Delaware

[Reveal] Spoiler:
1-4-3-2.


Q2 Arrange these celebrities in order by height, starting with the tallest:
1. Clint Eastwood
2. Danny DeVito
3. Julia Roberts
4. Shaquille O'Neal

[Reveal] Spoiler:
4-1-3-2. Shaq and DeVito made easy bookends, wasn't 100% sure that Eastwood is taller than Roberts, but was correct that he is.


Q3 Arrange these poets in order by the year of their birth, starting with the earliest:
1. Maya Angelou
2. T.S. Eliot
3. Edgar Allan Poe
4. Emily Dickinson

[Reveal] Spoiler:
3-4-2-1. Poe was easily the oldest, I thought Emily Dickinson was mid-late 19th century (but she turned out to be earlier than I thought), I knew T.S. Eliot's life spanned parts of the 19th and 20th centuries, and I knew Maya Angelou was all 20th. I held my breath and punched Dickinson in 2nd, and was gratified to be called correct. The actual years are: Poe (1809), Dickinson (1830), Eliot (1888) and Angelou (1928).


Q4 Arrange these fashion designers in order by the year of their birth, starting with the earliest:
(Really, Fred? You have to do this to me, with all the trouble I've been having with this game so far?)
1. Laura Ashley
2. Edith Head
3. Mary Quant
4. Stella McCartney


[Reveal] Spoiler: Um, who are four women who have never been in my kitchen???
The correct answer, per Wikipedia, is 2-1-3-4. That is not what I entered. What I did enter, I have no clue. I did guess correctly that McCartney was the most recent, but I couldn't tell you what order I punched the others in. Anyway, they were: Head (1897), Ashley (1927), Quant (1934), McCartney (1971).


And thus endeth my attempt to qualify. :(

-Mike

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