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I’ll offer you a wager. Let’s say $1000. Between 2019 and 2028, the average annual worldwide temperature as determined by NASA will reach a record high more often than it will reach a record low. If there’s a tie (including 0-0), you win. —Bob

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

By record you mean since 1850 and the end of the little ice age. I'd be willing to bet the satilite record will not be .5C higher in 2028

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Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

Waste = Plastic items I used only once, like a straw (switching to no straw or a paper one). Still researching the plastic toothbrush situation. Bamboo sounds nice.

Not putting a few grocery items in a bag if I am going to just carry them from the car into the house and put them away.

Walking or riding a bike or the light rail instead of using gasoline.

I think if these are choices we make ourselves, and don't lecture other people about them, they do not have to be seen as extreme or arrogant or, you guessed it, hysteria (I never did like this thread title, and it just won't go away - it is the longest epitaph ever). I am not making laws, only choices.

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If you fail to pilot your own ship, don't be surprised at what inappropriate port you find yourself docked. - Tom Robbins
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At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you. - attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

Key word is choices, in non-identified actually manmade global warming situations.

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Oh please.

The thing is, sometimes other people have the power to make choices for us, whether we like it or not. That's when government has to step in and decide whose choices will prevail. And if government doesn't act, that makes the decision for us as well.

Here's an example. California just passed a law. I've seen it misdescribed on the Web so I thought I'd clear things up here. Restaurants will be required to stop giving out plastic straws. (There's no law against individuals actually using them, which is the incorrect description I've seen.) The issue isn't so much petroleum usage. It's that way too many of the straws end up in the ocean, where they never break down and end up in the food chain. So restaurants having the choice to give out plastic straws results in my not having the choice to enjoy local seafood that's unaffected by this stuff. --Bob

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

If we all chose to stop using/wasting plastic straws, the government wouldn't need to do anything.

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If you fail to pilot your own ship, don't be surprised at what inappropriate port you find yourself docked. - Tom Robbins
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At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you. - attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

That's true, but I don't think it's realistic. If the straws are made available, a lot of people will use them. Not necessarily because they have an abiding love for plastic straws, but just because that happens to be what's in front of them. --Bob

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

The straw in the tortoise was off Costa Rica. Do you control other countries?

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Oh please.

California doesn't even control other states. But there's already a lot of plastic crap off the California coast, and I'd like to at least start the process of getting rid of it. In this context, I'm not willing to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. --Bob

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

A very long article but worth it:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/01/magazine/climate-change-losing-earth.html

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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
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Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.

Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.

This one is just for laughs.

There are a couple of reasons for this. Unfortunately, because of the rapidly melting icecaps due to climate change, the sea surface temperatures in the tropical Atlantic are much colder than average. So, all that ice, that literally ice water coming into the Atlantic, keeping things cool. And a developing El Nino may actually increase wind shear, basically, tear apart storms as they come off the coast of Africa— Al Roker

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/ky ... hurricanes

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Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)

Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.

Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.

Another moronic lie from BJ.

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A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
Groucho Marx

FUKUSHIMA – A floating wind turbine built off Fukushima Prefecture to symbolize recovery efforts after the 2011 nuclear disaster will be removed, a government source has said.d-turbine-symbol-tohoku-earthquake-recovery-removed/

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/ ... y-removed/

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Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

https://thinkprogress.org/house-climate ... f7307c191/

Several Republicans who joined the House Climate Solutions Caucus in the run-up to this year’s midterm elections — ... — lost their bids to return to Congress, according to the latest voting results from Tuesday’s midterm elections.

Even the co-founder of the group, Republican Rep. Carlos Curbelo (FL) couldn’t retain his seat in a midterm election that saw Democrats take firm control of the House of Representatives.

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Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

Yeah he actually said this.

Obama: "Suddenly America is the largest oil producer, that was me people ... say thank you."

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Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

He did play a significant role in reducing the production in many Middle East countries (e.g. Libya).

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In the end, they will all pretty much taste the same.

Dumped on Black Friday. I’m thinking Donny and his enablers were hoping no one would notice. Didn’t work. —Bob

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

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Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

_________________
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.