An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

The forum for general posting. Come join the madness. :)
Post Reply
Message
Author
User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#101 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:28 pm

earendel wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Still trying to talk myself to ten pages

http://www.Real-Science.com/google-aban ... al-warming
I'll give you some help, with the help of 255 members of the National Academy of Sciences. --Bob
And a fine article from Phil Plaitt on his Bad Astronomy blog:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badas ... more-43791
Rising Tempertures
Jim River, AK closed in on the all time record coldest temperature of -80°F set in 1971, which is not only the Alaska all-time record, but the record for the entire United States. Unfortunately, it seems the battery died in the weather station just at the critical moment.
they blame Murphy, but Uday would not do that.
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#102 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:31 am

Bob78164 wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Still trying to talk myself to ten pages

http://www.Real-Science.com/google-aban ... al-warming
I'll give you some help, with the help of 255 members of the National Academy of Sciences. --Bob
About those NAS guys


http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/ ... es/?src=tp

Not even Anthony Weiner believes he did not fake the memo or knows who did
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
Flybrick
Posts: 1570
Joined: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:44 am

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#103 Post by Flybrick » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:26 am

Well, if he did it for the (his) greater good, that makes it ok, right?

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#104 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:12 am

While the disparity of forces puts the financial interests and media support firmly in the alarmist camp, the sceptics have some obvious strengths. The first and most obvious is an eye to detail and meticulous picking apart of data among a sizeable camp of sceptics. They are used to poring over data, of looking behind the obvious and of teasing things out of the most unlikely sources. These skills are highly prized in sceptic circles - just as they used to be prized in scientific circles. We see this at work not just in the deconstruction of the hockey stick, but in the way that the IPCC reports were dissected and the references checked (and often found to be from non-peer reviewed literature), or the BEST temperature record found to be at odds with what Richard Muller was claiming it said or... Again and again the sceptic camp shows itself to be worthy of the name. Nothing is taken on trust, everything is challenged and the data checked.

In Gleick's case this process happened very quickly. The allegedly forged document was checked and found to have come from a different source and different time zone. The writing style was shown to be different to the other documents. And, taking things a step further, a number of voices suggested it was Peter Gleick very early on.

This is the sceptic blogosphere at work - and it shows why, despite the disparity of money and media, the alarmists know they are losing. It's just ironic that Gleick fell victim to the very thing that his paranoid fantasy ignores.
http://progcontra.blogspot.com/2012/02/ ... leick.html
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
Jeemie
Posts: 7303
Joined: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:35 pm
Location: City of Champions Once More (Well, in spirit)!!!!

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#105 Post by Jeemie » Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:29 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Still trying to talk myself to ten pages

http://www.Real-Science.com/google-aban ... al-warming
I'll give you some help, with the help of 255 members of the National Academy of Sciences. --Bob
About those NAS guys


http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/ ... es/?src=tp

Not even Anthony Weiner believes he did not fake the memo or knows who did
So he used a fake name to obtain documents from an institute that would not have given them to him had he used his real name...and that automatically makes his findings false?

How about the Heartland Institute prove the documents he got were faked or altered first?

Talk about a game of three-card monte!

PS Sorry- didn't see TMITSSS's latest post- I will read it now.
1979 City of Champions 2009

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#106 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:13 pm

The details of how MacArthur Genius Dr. Peter Gleick phished documents from the Heartland Institute is here.

http://fakegate.org/

And no the faked Strategy Memo was not send by Heartland to Gleick
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#107 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:07 pm

Australian Prime Minister, Julia Gillard has announced she will be repealing Australia’s $23 per tonne Carbon Tax, which was due to be implemented on 1 July 2012.

She said it was embarrassing trying to defend her climate change advisors whose predictions kept failing. “It’s one thing when experts make predictions and they are slightly wrong,” she said “but when the complete opposite happens, then there is something drastically wrong.  It’s clear to me now that the sun drives climate change. The Carbon Tax will therefore not be implemented on 1 July.”


http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress. ... arbon-tax/
Spoiler
Yes it's April 1st in Australia
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
mrkelley23
Posts: 6268
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:48 pm
Location: Somewhere between Bureaucracy and Despair

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#108 Post by mrkelley23 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:08 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Australian Prime Minister, Julia Gillard has announced she will be repealing Australia’s $23 per tonne Carbon Tax, which was due to be implemented on 1 July 2012.

She said it was embarrassing trying to defend her climate change advisors whose predictions kept failing. “It’s one thing when experts make predictions and they are slightly wrong,” she said “but when the complete opposite happens, then there is something drastically wrong.  It’s clear to me now that the sun drives climate change. The Carbon Tax will therefore not be implemented on 1 July.”


http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress. ... arbon-tax/
Spoiler
Yes it's April 1st in Australia
Spoiler
OK, you got me. I was already preparing the indignant response in my head when I clicked the spoiler button. :D
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled. -- Richard Feynman

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#109 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:57 am

James Lovelock, the maverick scientist who became a guru to the environmental movement with his “Gaia” theory of the Earth as a single organism, has admitted to being “alarmist” about climate change and says other environmental commentators, such as Al Gore, were too.

Lovelock, 92, is writing a new book in which he will say climate change is still happening, but not as quickly as he once feared.
It will also reflect his new opinion that global warming has not occurred as he had expected.

“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.

“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.

“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising -- carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.

He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... ate-change
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
Bob78164
Bored Moderator
Posts: 21643
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:02 pm
Location: By the phone

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#110 Post by Bob78164 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:16 am

Former climate-change skeptic Richard Muller analyzes the data and confirms his conclusion that global warming is real and that prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. He now concludes, "Humans are almost entirely the cause."

He reaches this conclusion by showing a very close correlation between measured temperature and measured levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide. He found that the data does not support the claim that climate variation is due to variations in solar activity. Importantly, his conclusion does not depend on complex global climate models.

Professor Muller's conclusions can be found in five scientific papers posted here. --Bob
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#111 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:40 am

Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
Bob78164
Bored Moderator
Posts: 21643
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:02 pm
Location: By the phone

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#112 Post by Bob78164 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:50 pm

Streetlamps in Stillwater, Oklahoma, are melting in the heat:

Image

--Bob
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#113 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:27 pm

Bob78164 wrote:Streetlamps in Stillwater, Oklahoma, are melting in the heat:

Image

--Bob
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#114 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:29 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Bob78164 wrote:Streetlamps in Stillwater, Oklahoma, are melting in the heat:

Image

--Bob
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
"Poor Bill McKibben - he's been trying to get something to melt for ages but it keeps backfiring," Senator Inhofe said. "These alarmists never learn their lesson. Remember Bill McKibben was the one who was going to melt a giant ice sculpture in the shape of the word ‘hoax' on the national mall, but his group had to cancel because there wasn't enough interest. Now, after proclaiming that street lights in Oklahoma are melting because of global warming, we have confirmation that a fire caused this scene.

"Amid the resurgence of hysteria from my friends on the left, I appreciated climatologist Dr. John Christy who testified this week before the Environment and Public Works committee saying that instead of proclaiming this summer is ‘what global warming looks like' it is ‘scientifically more accurate to say that this is what Mother Nature looks like, since events even worse than these have happened in the past before greenhouse gases were increasing like they are today.'

"This isn't the first time
alarmists have tried these stunts and it certainly won't be the last - when will they finally realize they've lost this debate?"

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm? ... 0460c56be2
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#115 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:02 pm

Al Gore isn’t pleased that President Obama and Mitt Romney are steering clear of climate change on the stump despite record-setting heat and extreme drought.

The former vice president expressed his displeasure via Web link, steering readers of his blog to a Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists column titled “Conspiracy of silence: The irresponsible politics of climate change.”

“In a summer dominated by heat waves and a devastating nationwide drought, it would seem that climate change would be a major issue in the US presidential campaign. However, quite the opposite is happening. Neither President Barack Obama nor the presumptive Republican nominee, Mitt Romney, has focused any attention on this critical issue,” states the Bulletin column, which Gore calls “important.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wir ... conspiracy
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#116 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:57 pm

President Mohamed Waheed Hassan Manik today said though Maldives faces the dangers of climate change, the country would not be submerged in the Indian Ocean.

Speaking to Sri Lankan businessmen this morning during his current visit to Sri Lanka, President stressed that Maldives can be sustained through efforts to avert the dangers of climate change.

"First of all, I want give you a bit of good news. The good news is that the Maldives is not about to disappear," President Waheed said countering the claims by his predecessor that the Maldives would be be completely submerged in the near future.
http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/44118
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
Bob Juch
Posts: 26470
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:58 am
Location: Oro Valley, Arizona
Contact:

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#117 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:13 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
President Mohamed Waheed Hassan Manik today said though Maldives faces the dangers of climate change, the country would not be submerged in the Indian Ocean.

Speaking to Sri Lankan businessmen this morning during his current visit to Sri Lanka, President stressed that Maldives can be sustained through efforts to avert the dangers of climate change.

"First of all, I want give you a bit of good news. The good news is that the Maldives is not about to disappear," President Waheed said countering the claims by his predecessor that the Maldives would be be completely submerged in the near future.
http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/44118
Then they'd better start filling sandbags ASAP!
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)

Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.

Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.

User avatar
Bob78164
Bored Moderator
Posts: 21643
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:02 pm
Location: By the phone

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#118 Post by Bob78164 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:01 pm

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
President Mohamed Waheed Hassan Manik today said though Maldives faces the dangers of climate change, the country would not be submerged in the Indian Ocean.

Speaking to Sri Lankan businessmen this morning during his current visit to Sri Lanka, President stressed that Maldives can be sustained through efforts to avert the dangers of climate change.

"First of all, I want give you a bit of good news. The good news is that the Maldives is not about to disappear," President Waheed said countering the claims by his predecessor that the Maldives would be be completely submerged in the near future.
http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/44118
In other news, King Canute announced today that his Administration will make additional oceanfront land available by commanding the tide to stop rolling in. --Bob
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#119 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:42 pm

http://www.cantonrep.com/newsnow/x10699 ... anel-maker


The Public Utilities Commission of Ohio voted Wednesday against funding the Turning Point project that was touted in 2010 as the largest solar energy project east of the Mississippi River
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
dimmzy
Posts: 925
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:23 am

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#120 Post by dimmzy » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:49 pm

I've been reading this wearing just a T-shirt and shorts.

Today, up in Rochester, NY, it reached a record-breaking 69 degrees.

User avatar
Catfish
Posts: 2250
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:58 pm
Location: Hoosier

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#121 Post by Catfish » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:53 pm

dimmzy wrote:I've been reading this wearing just a T-shirt and shorts.

Today, up in Rochester, NY, it reached a record-breaking 69 degrees.
Hey, Dimmzy. This doesn't have anything to do with global warming or hysteria, but I wanted to let you know that every time I look at your avatar, it makes me smile.
Love,
Catfish

User avatar
eyégor
???????
Posts: 1139
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:26 am
Location: Trollsberg

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#122 Post by eyégor » Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:37 pm

dimmzy wrote:I've been reading this wearing just a T-shirt and shorts.

Today, up in Rochester, NY, it reached a record-breaking 69 degrees.
See, if you wore sensible clothes for the season, it wouldn't have to be so warm

User avatar
dimmzy
Posts: 925
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:23 am

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#123 Post by dimmzy » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:59 pm

dimmzy wrote:
I've been reading this wearing just a T-shirt and shorts.

Today, up in Rochester, NY, it reached a record-breaking 69 degrees.


See, if you wore sensible clothes for the season, it wouldn't have to be so warm
Did I mention they were wool?

User avatar
themanintheseersuckersuit
Posts: 7619
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:37 pm
Location: South Carolina

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#124 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:26 pm

Wilmington NC broke a high temperature record set in 1898. I went crabbing. Sunscreen was required. (For me not the crabs)
Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

User avatar
franktangredi
Posts: 6503
Joined: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:34 pm

Re: An Epitaph for Global Warming Hysteria

#125 Post by franktangredi » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:00 am

There's an upside to everything. If we do lose the Bored, this thread will finally die.

Post Reply