In Honor of Flag Day

[silverscreenselect]

Jimmy Stewart displays the new American flag.



I've been the victim of a massive conspiracy the last ten years.

[jarnon]

OMG, SSS! I found the video version and posted it on YouTube:



I think you stumbled on a huge conspiracy. This video was created in 1950, and the bogus nine-row flag was created in 1960.

[silverscreenselect]

This has been a truly bizarre coincidence. Last night, I was watching a DVD of Broken Arrow (the Jimmy Stewart movie, not the John Travolta one), and the DVD had a few extra features including the clip that was shown (it was part of the old newsreel footage they used to play along with cartoons and trailers before films back in the old days). I had never watched the DVD before (although I'd seen the film years earlier). I just about fell out of my seat when I saw the clip, so I looked it up on the internet to see if there was a picture of it anywhere, and it's on a Debra Paget fan site (she's the actress with Stewart). Being somewhat technologically challenged, I don't know how to upload it on Youtube, but thanks to jarnon for doing it.

And what made this whole thing so surreal was that I watched the newsreel clip after midnight, meaning on June 14th, Flag Day.

[SportsFan68]

No surrealism here -- I'm gonna go put up the flag.

[Evil Squirrel]

No surrealism here -- I'm gonna go put up the flag.

Can I help?

[SportsFan68]

No.

Ick.

[MarleysGh0st]

Jimmy Stewart displays the new American flag.



I've been the victim of a massive conspiracy the last ten years.

I was looking at that flag and thinking "but that's only 49 stars--seven rows of seven." I didn't notice that they squeezed in an extra star in the middle row.

[tanstaafl2]

Jimmy Stewart displays the new American flag.



I've been the victim of a massive conspiracy the last ten years.

I was looking at that flag and thinking "but that's only 49 stars--seven rows of seven." I didn't notice that they squeezed in an extra star in the middle row.

Alas no conspiracy. As the video notes this was a mock up done by Hollywood before the Executive Order describing the offical 50 star flag was published. And in reality the Excutive Order only applies to official US Government flags. Manufacturers can make the flag pretty much as they choose and do as most mass market flags are not made to the correct dimensions. The Executive Order is quiet clear on what the star pattern is supposed to be though. Not surprising Hollywood would muck it up completely though.


Executive Order 10834
The Flag of the United States
Source: The provisions of Executive Order 10834 of Aug. 21, 1959, appear at 24 FR 6865, 3 CFR, 1959-1963 Comp., p. 367, unless otherwise noted.

WHEREAS the State of Hawaii has this day been admitted into the Union; and

WHEREAS section 2 of title 4 of the United States Code provides as follows: “On the admission of a new State into the Union one star shall be added to the union of the flag; and such addition shall take effect on the fourth day of July then next succeeding such admission.”; and

WHEREAS the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act of 1949 (63 Stat. 377), as amended, authorizes the President to prescribe policies and directives governing the procurement and utilization of property by executive agencies; and

WHEREAS the interests of the Government require that orderly and reasonable provision be made for various matters pertaining to the flag and that appropriate regulations governing the procurement and utilization of national flags and union jacks by executive agencies be prescribed:

NOW, THEREFORE, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States and as Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the United States, and the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act of 1949, as amended, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Part I—Design of the Flag

Section 1. The flag of the United States shall have thirteen horizontal stripes, alternate red and white, and a union consisting of white stars on a field of blue.

Sec. 2. The positions of the stars in the union of the flag and in the union jack shall be as indicated on the attachment to this order, which is hereby made a part of this order.

Sec. 3. The dimensions of the constituent parts of the flag shall conform to the proportions set forth in the attachment referred to in section 2 of this order.

Part II—Regulations Governing Executive Agencies

Sec. 21. The following sizes of flags are authorized for executive agencies:



Dimensions of flag
Size Hoist (width) Feet Fly (length) Feet
(1) 20.00 38.00
(2) 10.00 19.00
(3) 8.95 17.00
(4) 7.00 11.00
(5) 5.00 9.50
(6) 4.33 5.50
(7) 3.50 6.65
(8) 3.00 4.00
(9) 3.00 5.70
(10) 2.37 4.50
(11) 1.32 2.50


Sec. 22. Flags manufactured or purchased for the use of executive agencies:
(a) Shall conform to the provisions of Part I of this order, except as may be otherwise authorized pursuant to the provisions of section 24, or except as otherwise authorized by the provisions of section 21, of this order.
(b) Shall conform to the provisions of section 21 of this order, except as may be otherwise authorized pursuant to the provisions of section 24 of this order.

Sec. 23. The exterior dimensions of each union jack manufactured or purchased for executive agencies shall equal the respective exterior dimensions of the union of a flag of a size authorized by or pursuant to this order. The size of the union jack flown with the national flag shall be the same as the size of the union of that national flag.

Sec. 24. (a) The Secretary of Defense in respect of procurement for the Department of Defense (including military colors) and the Administrator of General Services in respect of procurement for executive agencies other than the Department of Defense may, for cause which the Secretary or the Administrator, as the case may be, deems sufficient, make necessary minor adjustments in one or more of the dimensions or proportionate dimensions prescribed by this order, or authorize proportions or sizes other than those prescribed by section 3 or section 21 of this order.
(b) So far as practicable, (1) the actions of the Secretary of Defense under the provisions of section 24(a) of this order, as they relate to the various organizational elements of the Department of Defense, shall be coordinated, and (2) the Secretary and the Administrator shall mutually coordinate their actions under that section.

Sec. 25. Subject to such limited exceptions as the Secretary of Defense in respect of the Department of Defense, and the Administrator of General Services in respect of executive agencies other than the Department of Defense, may approve, all national flags and union jacks now in the possession of executive agencies, or hereafter acquired by executive agencies under contracts awarded prior to the date of this order, including those so possessed or so acquired by the General Services Administration for distribution to other agencies, shall be utilized until unserviceable.

Part III—General Provisions

Sec. 31. The flag prescribed by Executive Order No. 10798 of January 3, 1959, shall be the official flag of the United States until July 4, 1960, and on that date the flag prescribed by Part I of this order shall become the official flag of the United States; but this section shall neither derogate from section 24 or section 25 of this order nor preclude the procurement, for executive agencies, or flags provided for by or pursuant to this order at any time after the date of this order.

Sec. 32. As used in this order, the term “executive agencies” means the executive departments and independent establishments in the executive branch of the Government, including wholly-owned Government corporations.

Sec. 33. Executive Order No. 10798 of January 3, 1959, is hereby revoked.

Dwight D. Eisenhower.


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Editorial note: The following attachment detailing the proportions of the constituent parts of the flag, which was attached to and made a part of Executive Order 10834, is printed in 3 CFR, 1959-1963 Comp., p. 368.
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Standard Proportions
Hoist (width) of flag 1.0 A
Fly (length) of flag 1.9 B
Hoist (width) of Union 0.5385 (7/13) C
Fly (length) of Union 0.76 D
0.054 E
0.054 F
0.063 G
0.063 H
Diameter of star 0.0616 K
Width of stripe 0.0769 (1/13) L

[silverscreenselect]

Jimmy Stewart displays the new American flag.



I've been the victim of a massive conspiracy the last ten years.

I was looking at that flag and thinking "but that's only 49 stars--seven rows of seven." I didn't notice that they squeezed in an extra star in the middle row.

Alas no conspiracy. As the video notes this was a mock up done by Hollywood before the Executive Order describing the offical 50 star flag was published. And in reality the Excutive Order only applies to official US Government flags. Manufacturers can make the flag pretty much as they choose and do as most mass market flags are not made to the correct dimensions. The Executive Order is quiet clear on what the star pattern is supposed to be though. Not surprising Hollywood would muck it up completely though.


Executive Order 10834
The Flag of the United States
Source: The provisions of Executive Order 10834 of Aug. 21, 1959,

Funny how that so-called Executive Order mysteriously appears after I publish conclusive proof that the flag has seven rows of stars. And, I might add, proof provided by one of America's greatest actors and patriots, Jimmy Stewart.

I'd think twice before I called Mr. Smith a liar.

[tanstaafl2]

I was looking at that flag and thinking "but that's only 49 stars--seven rows of seven." I didn't notice that they squeezed in an extra star in the middle row.

Alas no conspiracy. As the video notes this was a mock up done by Hollywood before the Executive Order describing the offical 50 star flag was published. And in reality the Excutive Order only applies to official US Government flags. Manufacturers can make the flag pretty much as they choose and do as most mass market flags are not made to the correct dimensions. The Executive Order is quiet clear on what the star pattern is supposed to be though. Not surprising Hollywood would muck it up completely though.


Executive Order 10834
The Flag of the United States
Source: The provisions of Executive Order 10834 of Aug. 21, 1959,

Funny how that so-called Executive Order mysteriously appears after I publish conclusive proof that the flag has seven rows of stars. And, I might add, proof provided by one of America's greatest actors and patriots, Jimmy Stewart.

I'd think twice before I called Mr. Smith a liar.

True. It is probably Debra Paget's fault...

[wintergreen48]

It's still missing one row of seven stars-- the flag as shown has only 50 stars, it's missing the stars for the other 7 states.