Full story: http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-chicag ... tructuringFederal prosecutors on Thursday charged former Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert with agreeing to pay $3.5 million in hush money to someone he committed “prior misconduct” against, withdrawing the money in small enough amounts to try to avoid detection, then lying to the FBI when questioned about it.
The feds don’t specify the misconduct or name the person Hastert allegedly paid. But they say “Individual A” lived in Yorkville, where Hastert was a coach and high school teacher for years, and knew Hastert for “most of Individual A’s life.”
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Silly me.
When I read that, I thought at first they were talking about the actor Dennis Haysbert, who does the Allstate commercials. I wondered what he'd done to get in trouble.
When I read that, I thought at first they were talking about the actor Dennis Haysbert, who does the Allstate commercials. I wondered what he'd done to get in trouble.
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A crooked politician? Where's the fainting couch? I believe I have the vapors.
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President David Palmer? He wouldn't do anything like that.silverscreenselect wrote:Silly me.
When I read that, I thought at first they were talking about the actor Dennis Haysbert, who does the Allstate commercials. I wondered what he'd done to get in trouble.
Now President Wayne Palmer, that might be a different story. (But "24" was so unrealistic There's no way that two brothers would ever really end up each elected President.)
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I did, too.silverscreenselect wrote:Silly me.
When I read that, I thought at first they were talking about the actor Dennis Haysbert, who does the Allstate commercials. I wondered what he'd done to get in trouble.
After the Sam Shepard news, I was thinking, "what's going on with these guys?"
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silverscreenselect wrote:Silly me.
When I read that, I thought at first they were talking about the actor Dennis Haysbert, who does the Allstate commercials. I wondered what he'd done to get in trouble.
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From Illinois at that!ne1410s wrote:A crooked politician? Where's the fainting couch? I believe I have the vapors.
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The conduct for which he was charged doesn't seem to have anything to do with his former official capacity. --Bobne1410s wrote:A crooked politician? Where's the fainting couch? I believe I have the vapors.
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Exactly what I thought:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-d ... story.htmlChicago Tribune wrote:Indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert was paying an individual from his past to conceal sexual misconduct, two law enforcement officials said Friday. The actions date to Hastert's time as a Yorkville, Ill., high school wrestling coach and teacher, the official said.
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Is there not a statute of limitations?Bob Juch wrote:Exactly what I thought:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-d ... story.htmlChicago Tribune wrote:Indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert was paying an individual from his past to conceal sexual misconduct, two law enforcement officials said Friday. The actions date to Hastert's time as a Yorkville, Ill., high school wrestling coach and teacher, the official said.
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Also, seems that the other party should be brought up on bribery charges? Why else would he be paying money?
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Not for blackmail. It's been rumored for years that Hastert was gay.BackInTex wrote:Is there not a statute of limitations?Bob Juch wrote:Exactly what I thought:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-d ... story.htmlChicago Tribune wrote:Indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert was paying an individual from his past to conceal sexual misconduct, two law enforcement officials said Friday. The actions date to Hastert's time as a Yorkville, Ill., high school wrestling coach and teacher, the official said.
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But then wouldn't he be the victim, of the blackmail?Bob Juch wrote:Not for blackmail. It's been rumored for years that Hastert was gay.BackInTex wrote: Is there not a statute of limitations?
The charges against him or for hiding the payments.
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I mean that there was no time limit for the blackmailer. Hastert just recently started paying.BackInTex wrote:But then wouldn't he be the victim, of the blackmail?Bob Juch wrote:Not for blackmail. It's been rumored for years that Hastert was gay.BackInTex wrote: Is there not a statute of limitations?
The charges against him or for hiding the payments.
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If you're talking about the underlying alleged misconduct, in many states the statute of limitations is tolled (suspended) until the victim reaches the age of majority, and sometimes longer. I don't know Illinois law on this issue, of course.BackInTex wrote:Is there not a statute of limitations?Bob Juch wrote:Exactly what I thought:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-d ... story.htmlChicago Tribune wrote:Indicted former House Speaker Dennis Hastert was paying an individual from his past to conceal sexual misconduct, two law enforcement officials said Friday. The actions date to Hastert's time as a Yorkville, Ill., high school wrestling coach and teacher, the official said.
It's not blackmail to pay someone money to avoid a civil lawsuit. It's a settlement. What would be blackmail would be to demand money to refrain from pressing criminal charges or to refrain from gratuitously publicizing embarrassing information.
In other words, "Pay me or I'll sue you" isn't blackmail. "Pay me or I'll call the cops" is. So is "Pay me or I'll call the Chicago Tribune." --Bob
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I can assure everybody that Speaker Hastert is not gay. He told me so in the Capitol men's room.Bob Juch wrote:Not for blackmail. It's been rumored for years that Hastert was gay.
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As I said earlier this is majorly creepy. Don't know anyone who is involved in this shit. What is it with public figs? What the fuckety fuck?
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I want to say the statute in Illinois is age of majority plus 20 years (criminally, and would assume the same civilly), but I can't remember 100% (it was discussed in my criminal law class), and would also depend on when the "crime" occurred as the law may have been different at the time.Bob78164 wrote:If you're talking about the underlying alleged misconduct, in many states the statute of limitations is tolled (suspended) until the victim reaches the age of majority, and sometimes longer. I don't know Illinois law on this issue, of course.BackInTex wrote: Is there not a statute of limitations?
It's not blackmail to pay someone money to avoid a civil lawsuit. It's a settlement. What would be blackmail would be to demand money to refrain from pressing criminal charges or to refrain from gratuitously publicizing embarrassing information.
In other words, "Pay me or I'll sue you" isn't blackmail. "Pay me or I'll call the cops" is. So is "Pay me or I'll call the Chicago Tribune." --Bob
My guess is the former speaker was more worried about his legacy being tarnished than anything. The person he was paying off probably set off red flags to the IRS and got caught and said he got them from Hastert; the feds went to question him and he tried to cover it up. Just my speculation.
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As Radley Balko has pointed out, structuring (or "smurfing") charges are extremely flexible. They demonstrate the reality of how Americans targeted by the Department of Justice can be charged. We imagine law enforcement operating like we see on TV: someone commits a crime, everyone knows what the crime is, law enforcement reacts by charging them with that crime. But that's not how federal prosecution always works. Particularly with high-profile targets, federal prosecution is often an exercise in searching for a theory to prosecute someone that the feds would like to prosecute. There is an element of creativity: what federal statute can we find to prosecute this person?
As Radley Balko has pointed out, structuring (or "smurfing") charges are extremely flexible. They demonstrate the reality of how Americans targeted by the Department of Justice can be charged. We imagine law enforcement operating like we see on TV: someone commits a crime, everyone knows what the crime is, law enforcement reacts by charging them with that crime. But that's not how federal prosecution always works. Particularly with high-profile targets, federal prosecution is often an exercise in searching for a theory to prosecute someone that the feds would like to prosecute. There is an element of creativity: what federal statute can we find to prosecute this person?
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
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That may be so in general, but if the indictment in this case is correct, the charge here is pretty clear. He was formerly withdrawing money without regard to the $10,000 reporting requirement. When he started receiving inquiries about the withdrawals, he changed his pattern to avoid triggering the requirement. When the FBI asked him about it, he lied.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:http://popehat.com/2015/05/29/dennis-ha ... ial-power/
As Radley Balko has pointed out, structuring (or "smurfing") charges are extremely flexible. They demonstrate the reality of how Americans targeted by the Department of Justice can be charged. We imagine law enforcement operating like we see on TV: someone commits a crime, everyone knows what the crime is, law enforcement reacts by charging them with that crime. But that's not how federal prosecution always works. Particularly with high-profile targets, federal prosecution is often an exercise in searching for a theory to prosecute someone that the feds would like to prosecute. There is an element of creativity: what federal statute can we find to prosecute this person?
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An owner of a restaurant here is charged with structuring because every day he puts just under $10,000 in cash from his restaurant in the bank. Of course having a Hispanic surname probably helped.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:http://popehat.com/2015/05/29/dennis-ha ... ial-power/
As Radley Balko has pointed out, structuring (or "smurfing") charges are extremely flexible. They demonstrate the reality of how Americans targeted by the Department of Justice can be charged. We imagine law enforcement operating like we see on TV: someone commits a crime, everyone knows what the crime is, law enforcement reacts by charging them with that crime. But that's not how federal prosecution always works. Particularly with high-profile targets, federal prosecution is often an exercise in searching for a theory to prosecute someone that the feds would like to prosecute. There is an element of creativity: what federal statute can we find to prosecute this person?
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