Mueller Appointed Special Counsel

[tlynn78]

That's my point as well. The word "duress" implies that he was compelled by outside forces to beat the guy up, which conveniently shifts the responsibility for his criminal acts to someone else. --Bob

When you can't grasp the simple fact that he didn't 'beat the guy up' - it's a pointless discussion.

Excuse me, committed a criminal act of assault by body slamming a reporter to the ground, as he admitted by pleading guilty.

Are you really trying to claim that Gianforte wasn't responsible for his actions? --Bob

He's claimed responsibility for his actions.

[Bob78164]

When you can't grasp the simple fact that he didn't 'beat the guy up' - it's a pointless discussion.

Excuse me, committed a criminal act of assault by body slamming a reporter to the ground, as he admitted by pleading guilty.

Are you really trying to claim that Gianforte wasn't responsible for his actions? --Bob

He's claimed responsibility for his actions.

So your use of the word "duress" was an error? (And I think the word you want is "accepted," not "claimed." "Claimed" would imply that responsibility for his decision to body-slam a reporter to the ground had been unknown, when in fact his actions were captured on audio and had multiple witnesses.) --Bob

[tlynn78]

Excuse me, committed a criminal act of assault by body slamming a reporter to the ground, as he admitted by pleading guilty.

Are you really trying to claim that Gianforte wasn't responsible for his actions? --Bob

He's claimed responsibility for his actions.

So your use of the word "duress" was an error? (And I think the word you want is "accepted," not "claimed." "Claimed" would imply that responsibility for his decision to body-slam a reporter to the ground had been unknown, when in fact his actions were captured on audio and had multiple witnesses.) --Bob

LMAO - if it's all the same to you, I'll get my legal learnin' from attorneys who actually remember what they're sworn to uphold.

[silverscreenselect]

He's claimed responsibility for his actions.

That does put him ahead of Justice Kavanaugh.

Of course, Gianforte couldn't well deny what he did with a host of witnesses around.

[Beebs52]

He's claimed responsibility for his actions.

That does put him ahead of Justice Kavanaugh.

Of course, Gianforte couldn't well deny what he did with a host of witnesses around.

Totally the same as Khasnhoggi. Or Scalise. Or...

[tlynn78]

He's claimed responsibility for his actions.

That does put him ahead of Justice Kavanaugh.

Of course, Gianforte couldn't well deny what he did with a host of witnesses around.

Totally the same as Khasnhoggi. Or Scalise. Or...

Keith Ellison...

[Bob78164]

That does put him ahead of Justice Kavanaugh.

Of course, Gianforte couldn't well deny what he did with a host of witnesses around.

Totally the same as Khasnhoggi. Or Scalise. Or...

Keith Ellison...

I was wondering when someone would bring that up. The press finally got its hands on the records from Rep. Ellison's divorce, over the objections of both parties. There was physical abuse in that marriage. It turns out that she was hitting him. --Bob

[Beebs52]

Totally the same as Khasnhoggi. Or Scalise. Or...

Keith Ellison...

I was wondering when someone would bring that up. The press finally got its hands on the records from Rep. Ellison's divorce, over the objections of both parties. There was physical abuse in that marriage. It turns out that she was hitting him. --Bob

That has to do with the girlfriend how...

[Bob78164]

Keith Ellison...

I was wondering when someone would bring that up. The press finally got its hands on the records from Rep. Ellison's divorce, over the objections of both parties. There was physical abuse in that marriage. It turns out that she was hitting him. --Bob

That has to do with the girlfriend how...

The girlfriend who claims she has video of the incident on her computer but has been unwilling or unable to produce it to the people hired to investigate her claims? --Bob

[Estonut]

I was wondering when someone would bring that up. The press finally got its hands on the records from Rep. Ellison's divorce, over the objections of both parties. There was physical abuse in that marriage. It turns out that she was hitting him.

That has to do with the girlfriend how...

The girlfriend who claims she has video of the incident on her computer but has been unwilling or unable to produce it to the people hired to investigate her claims?

If women are always to be believed, as you so adamantly felt about Dr. Ford, doesn't the girlfriend have to be believed, too?

[silverscreenselect]

The girlfriend who claims she has video of the incident on her computer but has been unwilling or unable to produce it to the people hired to investigate her claims?

If women are always to be believed, as you so adamantly felt about Dr. Ford, doesn't the girlfriend have to be believed, too?

There is a rule of evidence that says that when a party produces weaker evidence when it could have provided stronger evidence, then the weaker evidence may be disregarded.

[Bob78164]

That has to do with the girlfriend how...

The girlfriend who claims she has video of the incident on her computer but has been unwilling or unable to produce it to the people hired to investigate her claims?

If women are always to be believed, as you so adamantly felt about Dr. Ford, doesn't the girlfriend have to be believed, too?

I never said that.

I said that I believed that particular woman for a variety of reasons including her testimony, his testimony, the surrounding evidence, and his apparent unwillingness to have an investigation occur. I also said that her allegations were far above the bar necessary to conduct a full and fair investigation. Based on the Republicans' desire to keep the investigation a secret and what we've heard about it in the press, I am highly skeptical that the investigation that occurred was remotely approaching full.

People who make credible allegations of that nature deserve to have those allegations fully and fairly investigated. As far as I know, Ellison's ex-girlfriend has not filed a police report, so in this case the Democratic Party hired an independent lawyer to investigate. She has claimed from the beginning that she has on her home computer video of the alleged incident, but she's been unwilling to show it to anyone.

So yes, I'm highly skeptical of that particular allegation. But if she ever files a police report, I'll still expect it to be fully investigated. --Bob

[Estonut]

The girlfriend who claims she has video of the incident on her computer but has been unwilling or unable to produce it to the people hired to investigate her claims?

If women are always to be believed, as you so adamantly felt about Dr. Ford, doesn't the girlfriend have to be believed, too?

I never said that.

I said that I believed that particular woman for a variety of reasons including her testimony, his testimony, the surrounding evidence, and his apparent unwillingness to have an investigation occur. I also said that her allegations were far above the bar necessary to conduct a full and fair investigation. Based on the Republicans' desire to keep the investigation a secret and what we've heard about it in the press, I am highly skeptical that the investigation that occurred was remotely approaching full.

People who make credible allegations of that nature deserve to have those allegations fully and fairly investigated. As far as I know, Ellison's ex-girlfriend has not filed a police report, so in this case the Democratic Party hired an independent lawyer to investigate. She has claimed from the beginning that she has on her home computer video of the alleged incident, but she's been unwilling to show it to anyone.

So yes, I'm highly skeptical of that particular allegation. But if she ever files a police report, I'll still expect it to be fully investigated.

I apologize. I hadn't heard that Dr. Ford had ever filed a police report.