Prayers for Manchester
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Prayers for Manchester
heartbreak for the victims and families
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- ghostjmf
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
Please G-d make this stop
My heart is with the victims.
My heart is with the victims.
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
Horrible event. Our sympathy for the victims and families.
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- themanintheseersuckersuit
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
Your death at the hands of terrorists is an acceptable loss
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
I just don't understand.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Your death at the hands of terrorists is an acceptable loss
And then I get angry because I feel stupid, and leave.
Who is the you in "your"? Acceptable to whom? Is this just stuff that everyone else knows?
Angry.
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
Fill in the blankRitterskoop wrote:I just don't understand.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Your death at the hands of terrorists is an acceptable loss
And then I get angry because I feel stupid, and leave.
Who is the you in "your"? Acceptable to whom? Is this just stuff that everyone else knows?
Angry.
___________________ considers your death at the hand of terrorists an acceptable loss
Suggestions include
Your Government
Your Mayor
The EU
The Independent ( UK)
Muslim apologists
The BBC
CNN
Open Border advocates
Ariana Grande prior to yesterday
people crying Islamophobia
The British Labor Party
Bill Ayres
Puerto Rico Parade organizers
just as long as its your death rather than the death of them or their children
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
- themanintheseersuckersuit
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
https://twitter.com/NoSlackDelta/status ... 7015123969
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https://www.steynonline.com/7841/danger ... gerous-man
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/ar ... SRZFGjyvIW
https://www.steynonline.com/7841/danger ... gerous-man
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
- silverscreenselect
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
Is there really a reason to turn this into a political thread today?themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Fill in the blankRitterskoop wrote:I just don't understand.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Your death at the hands of terrorists is an acceptable loss
And then I get angry because I feel stupid, and leave.
Who is the you in "your"? Acceptable to whom? Is this just stuff that everyone else knows?
Angry.
___________________ considers your death at the hand of terrorists an acceptable loss
Suggestions include
Your Government
Your Mayor
The EU
The Independent ( UK)
Muslim apologists
The BBC
CNN
Open Border advocates
Ariana Grande prior to yesterday
people crying Islamophobia
The British Labor Party
Bill Ayres
Puerto Rico Parade organizers
just as long as its your death rather than the death of them or their children
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
This wasn't an act of God or an accident. Politics created the environment that caused and allowed this to happen. Delaying the discussion delays any actions that might prevent a future massacre, if preventing future massacres is something we might want to do.silverscreenselect wrote:
Is there really a reason to turn this into a political thread today?
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Mark Steyn has a long column out today.BackInTex wrote:This wasn't an act of God or an accident. Politics created the environment that caused and allowed this to happen. Delaying the discussion delays any actions that might prevent a future massacre, if preventing future massacres is something we might want to do.silverscreenselect wrote:
Is there really a reason to turn this into a political thread today?
https://www.steynonline.com/7841/danger ... gerous-man
Closing paragraph
>>>"As I asked around Europe all last year: What's the happy ending here? In a decade it will be worse, and in two decades worse still, and then in three decades people will barely recall how it used to be, when all that warmth and vibrancy of urban life that Owen Jones hymns in today's Guardian is but a memory, and the music has died away, and Manchester is as dull and listless as today's Alexandria. If Mrs May or Frau Merkel has a happier ending, I'd be interested to hear it. If not, it is necessary not to carry on, but to change, and soon - before it's too late.<<<<
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
Steyn is much easier to read than listen to.Spock wrote: Mark Steyn has a long column out today.
https://www.steynonline.com/7841/danger ... gerous-man
Closing paragraph
>>>"As I asked around Europe all last year: What's the happy ending here? In a decade it will be worse, and in two decades worse still, and then in three decades people will barely recall how it used to be, when all that warmth and vibrancy of urban life that Owen Jones hymns in today's Guardian is but a memory, and the music has died away, and Manchester is as dull and listless as today's Alexandria. If Mrs May or Frau Merkel has a happier ending, I'd be interested to hear it. If not, it is necessary not to carry on, but to change, and soon - before it's too late.<<<<
You missed the best part, part that this board will appreciate and understand....
..acknowledge atrocity without addressing it - like the Eloi in H G Wells' Time Machine, too evolved to resist the Morlocks.
..what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms.
~~ Thomas Jefferson
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- Bob78164
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
I understand your point. But people reading a thread entitled "Prayers for Manchester" might be put off by a political discussion. Perhaps the political aspects could be discussed in a different thread with a title that alerts people that the discussion is political.BackInTex wrote:This wasn't an act of God or an accident. Politics created the environment that caused and allowed this to happen. Delaying the discussion delays any actions that might prevent a future massacre, if preventing future massacres is something we might want to do.silverscreenselect wrote:
Is there really a reason to turn this into a political thread today?
I'm well aware that many of the remaining people on the Bored don't care to participate, or even experience, political discussions here. That's why in my own political threads, at least, I try to use the title to make clear that the discussion will be political. It seems to me to be common courtesy. --Bob
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
Which explains why therefore so few people here anymore.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Fill in the blankRitterskoop wrote:I just don't understand.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Your death at the hands of terrorists is an acceptable loss
And then I get angry because I feel stupid, and leave.
Who is the you in "your"? Acceptable to whom? Is this just stuff that everyone else knows?
Angry.
___________________ considers your death at the hand of terrorists an acceptable loss
Suggestions include
Your Government
Your Mayor
The EU
The Independent ( UK)
Muslim apologists
The BBC
CNN
Open Border advocates
Ariana Grande prior to yesterday
people crying Islamophobia
The British Labor Party
Bill Ayres
Puerto Rico Parade organizers
just as long as its your death rather than the death of them or their children
SMH and leaving again for awhile.
Ridiculous to post this in a thread of this nature. I came by to say that it appears none of family or their friends were there.
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
I grant that every topic is political. Truly. That doesn't bother me - it strikes me as appropriate, when we look at these questions in big ways.
I simply did not understand who would say what SuitGuy was "quoting," and it turns out he wasn't quoting anyone. I still don't get his point, but I see what he wanted to say.
The question of how much liberty are we willing to give up in exchange for safety is about 400 years old now. I always find it a compelling discussion, though it sucks when we have to lose people in order for it to get underway.
I simply did not understand who would say what SuitGuy was "quoting," and it turns out he wasn't quoting anyone. I still don't get his point, but I see what he wanted to say.
The question of how much liberty are we willing to give up in exchange for safety is about 400 years old now. I always find it a compelling discussion, though it sucks when we have to lose people in order for it to get underway.
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT....
My heart just broke for that couple who was looking for their daughter, Olivia.
She was found among the dead and, when I saw that smiling face, I just lost it.
And the tales of strangers helping children and teens out of harm's way -- they give me glimmers of hope.
My heart just broke for that couple who was looking for their daughter, Olivia.
She was found among the dead and, when I saw that smiling face, I just lost it.
And the tales of strangers helping children and teens out of harm's way -- they give me glimmers of hope.
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
Thank God for that, Christie. It's funny, (odd, not ha-ha) that no matter how long it's been between postings, or between visits here, there are just some occurrences that will bring me here almost immediately. For better or worse, tragedy is one of those occurrences, and one of my first thoughts was of your family - I don't even know where, generally, they live in England, but still..christie1111 wrote: I came by to say that it appears none of family or their friends were there.
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
I saw on Facebook a picture of what appeared to be a huge rally in Manchester the day after the tragedy. I couldn't help thinking the picture should have been captioned "Manchester United." --Bobmellytu74 wrote:BACK TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT....
My heart just broke for that couple who was looking for their daughter, Olivia.
She was found among the dead and, when I saw that smiling face, I just lost it.
And the tales of strangers helping children and teens out of harm's way -- they give me glimmers of hope.
"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
NBC did say "Manchester United."Bob78164 wrote:I saw on Facebook a picture of what appeared to be a huge rally in Manchester the day after the tragedy. I couldn't help thinking the picture should have been captioned "Manchester United." --Bobmellytu74 wrote:BACK TO THE ORIGINAL INTENT....
My heart just broke for that couple who was looking for their daughter, Olivia.
She was found among the dead and, when I saw that smiling face, I just lost it.
And the tales of strangers helping children and teens out of harm's way -- they give me glimmers of hope.
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- themanintheseersuckersuit
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Re: Prayers for Manchester
A van and knives tonight in London
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.