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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:18 am 
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Devin Nunes, in his capacity as Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, personally approved a number of unmasking requests related to the 2016 presidential campaign that were no different from requests that he now characterizes as an abuse of power by the Obama Administration. So all he's doing is hypocritically attempting to deflect attention from an investigation that is well on its way to showing cooperation between the Republican presidential campaign and a hostile foreign government. --Bob

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... an investigation that is well on its way to showing cooperation between the Republican presidential campaign and a hostile foreign government.
You have previously claimed there is "credible evidence." How, then, is the investigation only "well on its way to showing cooperation?" Have you been reading Juch News?

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Estonut wrote:
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... an investigation that is well on its way to showing cooperation between the Republican presidential campaign and a hostile foreign government.
You have previously claimed there is "credible evidence." How, then, is the investigation only "well on its way to showing cooperation?" Have you been reading Juch News?
It's a prediction. There's lots and lots of smoke. I'm confident the investigators will find fire. If nothing else, if Democrats take back the House in 2018, we'll finally get to see Donny's tax returns. --Bob

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Bob78164 wrote:
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... an investigation that is well on its way to showing cooperation between the Republican presidential campaign and a hostile foreign government.
You have previously claimed there is "credible evidence." How, then, is the investigation only "well on its way to showing cooperation?" Have you been reading Juch News?
It's a prediction. There's lots and lots of smoke. I'm confident the investigators will find fire. If nothing else, if Democrats take back the House in 2018, we'll finally get to see Donny's tax returns. --Bob


Talk about smoke.

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Bob78164 wrote:
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... an investigation that is well on its way to showing cooperation between the Republican presidential campaign and a hostile foreign government.
You have previously claimed there is "credible evidence." How, then, is the investigation only "well on its way to showing cooperation?" Have you been reading Juch News?
It's a prediction. There's lots and lots of smoke. I'm confident the investigators will find fire. If nothing else, if Democrats take back the House in 2018, we'll finally get to see Donny's tax returns.
So there it is. You are now no longer any more credible than is the other Bob.

http://wwtbambored.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53250&p=520250&hilit=credible+evidence#p520250
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There is credible evidence that American citizens conspired with a foreign government to violate federal law, including not limited to the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, in order to affect the presidential election. And since those citizens were part of Trump's campaign team, and since there is likewise credible evidence that Trump has been compromised by that same foreign government, it's quite clear that a special prosecutor is warranted.

http://wwtbambored.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53967&p=526049&hilit=credible+evidence#p526049
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There is considerable credible evidence that the President of the United States is under the control of a hostile foreign government and you're playing political games.

I thought that you, as a lawyer, would know the definition of "credible evidence." Since when is "lots and lots of smoke" proof of anything?

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Estonut wrote:
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Estonut wrote:
You have previously claimed there is "credible evidence." How, then, is the investigation only "well on its way to showing cooperation?" Have you been reading Juch News?
It's a prediction. There's lots and lots of smoke. I'm confident the investigators will find fire. If nothing else, if Democrats take back the House in 2018, we'll finally get to see Donny's tax returns.
So there it is. You are now no longer any more credible than is the other Bob.

http://wwtbambored.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53250&p=520250&hilit=credible+evidence#p520250
Guess which Bob wrote:
There is credible evidence that American citizens conspired with a foreign government to violate federal law, including not limited to the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, in order to affect the presidential election. And since those citizens were part of Trump's campaign team, and since there is likewise credible evidence that Trump has been compromised by that same foreign government, it's quite clear that a special prosecutor is warranted.

http://wwtbambored.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53967&p=526049&hilit=credible+evidence#p526049
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There is considerable credible evidence that the President of the United States is under the control of a hostile foreign government and you're playing political games.

I thought that you, as a lawyer, would know the definition of "credible evidence." Since when is "lots and lots of smoke" proof of anything?
The credible evidence is the smoke. It justifies an investigation. Now we have that investigation. With Robert Mueller at the helm, I'm confident that the results of that investigation will bear out my expectations. And if it doesn't, I'll have a lot more confidence that it's because there is no there there.

But that's not the way to bet. --Bob

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The credible evidence is the smoke. It justifies an investigation. Now we have that investigation. With Robert Mueller at the helm, I'm confident that the results of that investigation will bear out my expectations. And if it doesn't, I'll have a lot more confidence that it's because there is no there there.

But that's not the way to bet.
What smoke? Cite a link or stfu!

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Estonut wrote:
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The credible evidence is the smoke. It justifies an investigation. Now we have that investigation. With Robert Mueller at the helm, I'm confident that the results of that investigation will bear out my expectations. And if it doesn't, I'll have a lot more confidence that it's because there is no there there.

But that's not the way to bet.
What smoke? Cite a link or stfu!
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Bob78164 wrote:
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The credible evidence is the smoke. It justifies an investigation. Now we have that investigation. With Robert Mueller at the helm, I'm confident that the results of that investigation will bear out my expectations. And if it doesn't, I'll have a lot more confidence that it's because there is no there there.

But that's not the way to bet.
What smoke? Cite a link or stfu!
Did Dave sell you the Bored when we weren't looking? I didn't think so. I'll post what I want, when I want, just like the rest of us. If you don't like my posts, don't read 'em.
Your descent into mental illness has been far too fun to watch. You are the one who has asked for links backing every little thing, yet now, you're just passing along unsubstantiated BS. I can no longer tell which Bob I'm reading..

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Not nearly as interesting as this unmasking:


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Given the apparent inability of some participants in this thread to remember basic and relatively recent news, such as the Republican candidate for President of the United States openly soliciting a foreign government to hack the e-mails of his opponent's campaign organization, both his initial choice for National Security Advisor and the current Attorney General lying under oath regarding their contacts with that same foreign government, the numerous financial connections between that candidate and the same foreign government, and the boatloads of money that candidate's former campaign manager has received to advance that government's interests, I thought this story might be informative. --Bob

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And here's the NSA concluding, in a Top Secret document, that the Russian government directly launched attacks against our election infrastructure. --Bob

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And here's the NSA concluding, in a Top Secret document, that the Russian government directly launched attacks against our election infrastructure. --Bob

The person who released this document is named Reality Winner (no kidding).

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And here's the NSA concluding, in a Top Secret document, that the Russian government directly launched attacks against our election infrastructure. --Bob

The person who released this document is named Reality Winner (no kidding).

Reality Leigh Winner, several TV reporters have stumbled over her full name.

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And here's the NSA concluding, in a Top Secret document, that the Russian government directly launched attacks against our election infrastructure. --Bob

The person who released this document is named Reality Winner (no kidding).
Here's an update on Reality's case:
New York Times wrote:
Reality L. Winner, a former Air Force linguist who was the first person prosecuted by the Trump administration on charges of leaking classified information, pleaded guilty on Tuesday as part of an agreement with prosecutors that calls for a sentence of 63 months in prison.

Ms. Winner, who entered her plea in Federal District Court in Augusta, Ga., was arrested last June and accused of sharing a classified report about Russian interference in the 2016 election with the news media.

Ms. Winner, who is now 26, has been jailed since her arrest and wore an orange prison jumpsuit and white sneakers to the hearing. Her decision to plead guilty to one felony count allows the government both to avoid a complex trial that had been scheduled for October and to notch a victory in the Trump administration’s aggressive pursuit of leakers.

“All of my actions I did willfully, meaning I did so of my own free will,” Ms. Winner told Chief Judge J. Randal Hall on Tuesday. Throughout the hearing, Ms. Winner kept her hands behind her back while she answered questions about whether she understood the terms of the plea deal.

Ms. Winner, who was honorably discharged from the Air Force in 2016, was working as a contractor for the National Security Agency when she obtained a copy of a report that described hacks by a Russian intelligence service against local election officials and a company that sold software related to voter registration.

The Intercept, an online news outlet that a prosecutor said Ms. Winner admired, published a copy of the top secret report shortly before Ms. Winner’s arrest was made public. The report described two cyberattacks by Russia’s military intelligence unit, the G.R.U. — one in August against a company that sells voter-registration-related software and another, a few days before the election, against 122 local election officials.

At a detention hearing last year, the prosecutor, Jennifer G. Solari, said that Ms. Winner had been “mad about some things she had seen in the media, and she wanted to set the facts right.”

An F.B.I. affidavit made public when she was arrested last year said there was a visible crease mark on the file, a scan of which The Intercept had provided to the government while trying to authenticate it. That prompted investigators to surmise it was a printout.

Audit trails showed six people had printed copies, but only one — Ms. Winner — had used a work computer to send emails to The Intercept. A search warrant application said she had found the report by plugging keywords into the N.S.A.’s system that fell outside her normal work duties.

Moreover, while the F.B.I. did not mention it in court filings, computer security experts noted that the printer appeared to leave barely visible microdots on the printout identifying the serial number of the printer and the date and time of the printing: 6:20 a.m. on May 9, 2017.

Once rare, leak cases have become much more common in the 21st century, in part because of such electronic trails. Depending on how they are counted, the Obama administration brought nine or 10 leak-related prosecutions — about twice as many as were brought under all previous presidencies combined.

The Justice Department prosecuted Ms. Winner under the Espionage Act, a World War I-era law that criminalizes the unauthorized disclosure of national-security secrets that could be used to harm the United States or aid a foreign adversary.

Ms. Winner’s prosecution galvanized transparency advocates, who mounted a publicity campaign in her support that even included a billboard in Augusta, the east Georgia city where Ms. Winner lived at the time of her arrest. They were particularly infuriated by a judge’s ruling that she be held until her trial.

“They’re just coming down on her so tough,” Billie Winner-Davis, Ms. Winner’s mother, said in an interview after Tuesday’s plea hearing was scheduled. “I can only think that it’s because she was the very first one: the one they wanted to make an example out of, the one they wanted to nail to the door as a message to others.”

Still, Ms. Winner-Davis said of her daughter’s willingness to plead guilty, “She wouldn’t have made this decision if she wasn’t ready to accept the consequences and to accept responsibility.”

Ms. Winner is the second person known to have reached a plea agreement with the Trump administration to resolve a leak prosecution. A former F.B.I. agent, Terry J. Albury, pleaded guilty in April, but prosecutors in that case have signaled that they will ask that he serve 46 to 57 months in prison.

The Justice Department has brought at least two other leak-related cases under the Trump administration.

This month, James Wolfe, a former Senate Intelligence Committee staff member, was arrested and charged with lying to the F.B.I. about his contacts with reporters, including a Times reporter with whom he had a personal relationship and whose phone records the department secretly seized, during a leak investigation; Mr. Wolfe has not been charged with leaking classified information, however. He has pleaded not guilty.

Also this month, Joshua A. Schulte, a former C.I.A. software engineer, was charged with violating the Espionage Act and other laws based on accusations that he sent a stolen archive of documents and electronic tools related to the agency’s hacking operations to WikiLeaks, which called them the Vault 7 leak. Mr. Schulte had already been facing child pornography charges.

A judge must still decide whether to approve her sentence after reviewing a report that prosecutors will present. But prosecutors’ recommendation of more than five years in prison — followed by three years of supervised release — was unusually harsh for a leak case.

For most of American history, people accused of leaking to the news media were not prosecuted at all. In the flurry of cases that have arisen during the 21st century, most convicted defendants were sentenced to one to three and a half years.

One — Chelsea Manning, who was convicted at a military court-martial for sending large archives of military and diplomatic documents to WikiLeaks — was sentenced to 35 years in prison, but served only about seven years because President Barack Obama commuted the remainder of her sentence.

On Tuesday, Ms. Winner’s mother shed tears watching her daughter stand in orange prison garb. After watching United States marshals escort Ms. Winner out of the courtroom, Ms. Winner-Davis leaned over to her daughter’s lawyer and said, “Give her a hug for me.”

Afterward, Ms. Winner-Davis told reporters she hoped the public would view her daughter as a “good person.” But she also said that she would have liked to have seen Ms. Winner defend her reputation during a trial and criticized the Espionage Act as flawed. Defendants facing such charges are not permitted to argue to jurors that they should vote to acquit because the disclosure was in the public interest.

“It’s harsh, it’s outdated, it needs to be reformed,” Ms. Winner-Davis said. “I wanted to fight the Espionage Act. Reality Winner, I don’t want her name to go down as being someone in history who betrayed or hurt her country.”
Regardless of her good intentions, what Reality did was very wrong. Obviously the Russians already knew what they had done, but now they're aware of our intelligence capabilities and how to counter them. When I worked for an intelligence contractor, I had access to information such as how Russia was aiding the Assad regime, but I can't talk about it. Nevertheless, I contributed to her legal fund and hope the judge reduces her sentence. I doubt Trump will.


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Was she held in solitary confinement?

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An column in defense of Reality in the Inquirer:

She warned America that Russia hacked our voting rolls. Why is she in jail?


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