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London fire caused by fire in freezer

#1 Post by ghostjmf » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:16 am

I can't do links on this tablet, but heard on NPR.

Maybe there will be a movement against frost-free freezers (a thing I'm ticked off about). As well as against building insulation that feeds fires, which seems to be why this fire spread.

Hotpoint freezer, if you're checking brands.

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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer

#2 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:51 am

I have heard that Freon is less explosive than isobutane

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Greenpeace developed Greenfreeze technology in 1992 utilising isobutane and propane as refrigerants and cyclopentane for producing the insulating foam. According to the environmental group, the technology is currently used in over 300 million refrigerators worldwide.
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#3 Post by mrkelley23 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:07 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I have heard that Freon is less explosive than isobutane
Absolutely true. Also was able to cool at a much lower pressure, requiring less power and giving higher efficiencies.

On a related note, asbestos is a much better insulator than the flammable stuff they apparently used.

Wonder why they quit using them?
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer

#4 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:10 am

mrkelley23 wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I have heard that Freon is less explosive than isobutane
Absolutely true. Also was able to cool at a much lower pressure, requiring less power and giving higher efficiencies.

On a related note, asbestos is a much better insulator than the flammable stuff they apparently used.

Wonder why they quit using them?
Because some asbestos is dangerous we quit using any asbestos
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The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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#5 Post by Vandal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:15 am

ghostjmf wrote: Hotpoint freezer, if you're checking brands.
From Home Depot, most likely.
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#6 Post by BackInTex » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:23 am

The biggest issue in the fire was the design of the cladding that was installed. Any fire, regardless of the cause was a potential disaster due to the efficient (but unintended) chimney design of the cladding. Once the fire started, the cladding provided an efficient and effective flow of oxygen to the fire and a path for it to quickly spread upward,outside of the building, but inside the cladding.
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer

#7 Post by littlebeast13 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:26 am

Vandal wrote:
ghostjmf wrote: Hotpoint freezer, if you're checking brands.
From Home Depot, most likely.

I'm glad someone said it, because I was very tempted...

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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer

#8 Post by eyégor » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:35 am

themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
mrkelley23 wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I have heard that Freon is less explosive than isobutane
Absolutely true. Also was able to cool at a much lower pressure, requiring less power and giving higher efficiencies.

On a related note, asbestos is a much better insulator than the flammable stuff they apparently used.

Wonder why they quit using them?
Because some asbestos is dangerous we quit using any asbestos
Reminds me of the time Ace got in trouble because a nutjob turned him in for floor tiles that allegedly contained encapsulated asbestos.

I think my neighbor has old asbestos siding shingles under the siding. Guess I will go file a suit next week. Of course his basement is filled with pipes that had the asbestos insulation ripped off of it at the beginning of the 'all asbestos is bad' years. Still has loose strands hanging off some IIRC.

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#9 Post by SpacemanSpiff » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:48 am

eyégor wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
mrkelley23 wrote:
Absolutely true. Also was able to cool at a much lower pressure, requiring less power and giving higher efficiencies.

On a related note, asbestos is a much better insulator than the flammable stuff they apparently used.

Wonder why they quit using them?
Because some asbestos is dangerous we quit using any asbestos
Reminds me of the time Ace got in trouble because a nutjob turned him in for floor tiles that allegedly contained encapsulated asbestos.

I think my neighbor has old asbestos siding shingles under the siding. Guess I will go file a suit next week. Of course his basement is filled with pipes that had the asbestos insulation ripped off of it at the beginning of the 'all asbestos is bad' years. Still has loose strands hanging off some IIRC.
He should have sealed it with lead paint.
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#10 Post by eyégor » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:51 am

SpacemanSpiff wrote:
eyégor wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Because some asbestos is dangerous we quit using any asbestos
Reminds me of the time Ace got in trouble because a nutjob turned him in for floor tiles that allegedly contained encapsulated asbestos.

I think my neighbor has old asbestos siding shingles under the siding. Guess I will go file a suit next week. Of course his basement is filled with pipes that had the asbestos insulation ripped off of it at the beginning of the 'all asbestos is bad' years. Still has loose strands hanging off some IIRC.
He should have sealed it with lead paint.
I was thinking Aquanet, from 1975

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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer

#11 Post by President Chump » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:09 am

eyégor wrote:I was thinking Aquanet, from 1975

I might still have some of that. In my hair.....

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#12 Post by Bob Juch » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:15 am

ghostjmf wrote:I can't do links on this tablet, but heard on NPR.

Maybe there will be a movement against frost-free freezers (a thing I'm ticked off about). As well as against building insulation that feeds fires, which seems to be why this fire spread.

Hotpoint freezer, if you're checking brands.
The brand name should have been a clue. :roll:
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#13 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:47 am

Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer

#14 Post by themanintheseersuckersuit » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:29 pm

Suitguy is not bitter.

feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive

The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.

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