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Kim Davis could always take a job at the Family Research Council. I'm sure that the position held by that Duggar kid will be opening up soon.

In the meantime, she could read the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and learn why the Founding Fathers wrote freedom from religion before freedom of religion. She could learn why, as a government official, she has no constitutional right to force her religious beliefs on others and no constitutional right to use religion as an excuse to deny other Americans their constitutional rights.

We're not saying that she can't have certain religious beliefs. We're just saying that she can't force them onto others while in a government position. Huge difference.

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She's going to parlay this into a free money gig where she'll never have to work a day's worth of honest labor again.

I just wish she'd take her four times married, several times adulterous ass on the road and do it already.

I'm sure Duggar and the co-founder of the FRC, who went down in disgrace after hiring a gay escort to cavort with in Europe, can show her the ropes.

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Kim Davis could always take a job at the Family Research Council. I'm sure that the position held by that Duggar kid will be opening up soon.

In the meantime, she could read the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and learn why the Founding Fathers wrote freedom from religion before freedom of religion. She could learn why, as a government official, she has no constitutional right to force her religious beliefs on others and no constitutional right to use religion as an excuse to deny other Americans their constitutional rights.

We're not saying that she can't have certain religious beliefs. We're just saying that she can't force them onto others while in a government position. Huge difference.



She's not forcing her religious beliefs on anyone, she's using her beliefs to justify her choice to refuse to do her job. She is failing to execute her sworn duties, and for that, she should step down.

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Actually she's doing both.

Because she's telling those gay couples why she's not granting them their licenses.

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Actually she's doing both.

Because she's telling those gay couples why she's not granting them their licenses.


She's not granting marriage licenses to anyone, actually, but it's not "forcing her religion on them." She's not dragging them to her church or forcing them to accept Jesus.

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She's not granting marriage licenses to anyone, actually, but it's not "forcing her religion on them." She's not dragging them to her church or forcing them to accept Jesus.


You think that's the only way of forcing a religious belief on someone?

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Jeemie wrote:
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She's not granting marriage licenses to anyone, actually, but it's not "forcing her religion on them." She's not dragging them to her church or forcing them to accept Jesus.


You think that's the only way of forcing a religious belief on someone?


I think the rhetoric in this matter is ridiculous from all sides. If one forces a 'belief' on someone, religious or otherwise, that someone then adopts that belief, no? I don't think that's happening. She's certainly inconveniencing people, and basing her reasons on her own beliefs, but she's not forcing them to adopt her beliefs. She's a disgrace.

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Herein lies some issues.

The position is an elected one. In her case, it seems to be hereditarial, since her mom held the same position for nearly four decades. Even if the people were inclined to do so, I don't think they can have a recall election for the post. There might be a way to impeach her and remove her from office, but then she might just end up like Judge Roy Moore of Alabama, and get reelected.

Fines probably won't make her move, and likely some of these organization that aren't savvy to gay marriage might even cover them for her.* Jail time would remove her from the office proper, but her underlings might not comply with the orders, either (hence the bench order for her and her staff to report to court, not just her).

And, realistically, in that part of the state, she won't find a better-paying job.
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* Note - that might be considered taxable income, but that's an argument for another day.

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Herein lies some issues.

The position is an elected one. In her case, it seems to be hereditarial, since her mom held the same position for nearly four decades. Even if the people were inclined to do so, I don't think they can have a recall election for the post. There might be a way to impeach her and remove her from office, but then she might just end up like Judge Roy Moore of Alabama, and get reelected.

Fines probably won't make her move, and likely some of these organization that aren't savvy to gay marriage might even cover them for her.* Jail time would remove her from the office proper, but her underlings might not comply with the orders, either (hence the bench order for her and her staff to report to court, not just her).

And, realistically, in that part of the state, she won't find a better-paying job.
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* Note - that might be considered taxable income, but that's an argument for another day.


Yeah, it'll be very problematic to get her out - that's why I think, ethically speaking, she should step down voluntarily. She's been there long enough to have accrued a decent retirement, I would imagine. Most anyone who has that much experience in a Clerk of Court office should have no problem finding work with a law firm. Maybe Liberty Counsel can hire her.

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tlynn78 wrote:
SpacemanSpiff wrote:
Herein lies some issues.

The position is an elected one. In her case, it seems to be hereditarial, since her mom held the same position for nearly four decades. Even if the people were inclined to do so, I don't think they can have a recall election for the post. There might be a way to impeach her and remove her from office, but then she might just end up like Judge Roy Moore of Alabama, and get reelected.

Fines probably won't make her move, and likely some of these organization that aren't savvy to gay marriage might even cover them for her.* Jail time would remove her from the office proper, but her underlings might not comply with the orders, either (hence the bench order for her and her staff to report to court, not just her).

And, realistically, in that part of the state, she won't find a better-paying job.
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* Note - that might be considered taxable income, but that's an argument for another day.


Yeah, it'll be very problematic to get her out - that's why I think, ethically speaking, she should step down voluntarily. She's been there long enough to have accrued a decent retirement, I would imagine. Most anyone who has that much experience in a Clerk of Court office should have no problem finding work with a law firm. Maybe Liberty Counsel can hire her.



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TheMichiganBarAssociation wrote:
tlynn78 wrote:
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Herein lies some issues.

The position is an elected one. In her case, it seems to be hereditarial, since her mom held the same position for nearly four decades. Even if the people were inclined to do so, I don't think they can have a recall election for the post. There might be a way to impeach her and remove her from office, but then she might just end up like Judge Roy Moore of Alabama, and get reelected.

Fines probably won't make her move, and likely some of these organization that aren't savvy to gay marriage might even cover them for her.* Jail time would remove her from the office proper, but her underlings might not comply with the orders, either (hence the bench order for her and her staff to report to court, not just her).

And, realistically, in that part of the state, she won't find a better-paying job.
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* Note - that might be considered taxable income, but that's an argument for another day.


Yeah, it'll be very problematic to get her out - that's why I think, ethically speaking, she should step down voluntarily. She's been there long enough to have accrued a decent retirement, I would imagine. Most anyone who has that much experience in a Clerk of Court office should have no problem finding work with a law firm. Maybe Liberty Counsel can hire her.



We are always in need of having our papers shuffled! When can she start?


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Kim Davis could always take a job at the Family Research Council. I'm sure that the position held by that Duggar kid will be opening up soon.

In the meantime, she could read the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and learn why the Founding Fathers wrote freedom from religion before freedom of religion. She could learn why, as a government official, she has no constitutional right to force her religious beliefs on others and no constitutional right to use religion as an excuse to deny other Americans their constitutional rights.

We're not saying that she can't have certain religious beliefs. We're just saying that she can't force them onto others while in a government position. Huge difference.



She's not forcing her religious beliefs on anyone, she's using her beliefs to justify her choice to refuse to do her job. She is failing to execute her sworn duties, and for that, she should step down.


I wrote something to that effect on the "Contact us" section of her official clerk website and haven't heard back. I think that she probably has ordered the staff to delete anything referencing the licensing issue.

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I wrote something to that effect on the "Contact us" section of her official clerk website and haven't heard back. I think that she probably has ordered the staff to delete anything referencing the licensing issue.


What?! No reply? Imagine that. You'd think failing to fulfill one's duties would free up some time to respond. :roll:

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A federal judge has ordered Kim Davis to be jailed for contempt of court.

Interestingly she issued a statement that included this sentence:

To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God's definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience."

Did she think about that when she requested not one, but four different marriage licenses? What if a clerk had said, "it's against my religious convictions to issue a marriage license to a divorced person"?

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I wrote something to that effect on the "Contact us" section of her official clerk website and haven't heard back. I think that she probably has ordered the staff to delete anything referencing the licensing issue.


What?! No reply? Imagine that. You'd think failing to fulfill one's duties would free up some time to respond. :roll:



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A federal judge has ordered Kim Davis to be jailed for contempt of court.

Interestingly she issued a statement that included this sentence:

To issue a marriage license which conflicts with God's definition of marriage, with my name affixed to the certificate, would violate my conscience."

Did she think about that when she requested not one, but four different marriage licenses? What if a clerk had said, "it's against my religious convictions to issue a marriage license to a divorced person"?



Her religious convictions are relatively new to her, post-(her first three)divorce(s). The real hypocrisy lies in the fact that it's apparently okay to have her name on divorce decrees, but not marriage licenses, imo. No pickin' and choosin' when it comes to sinnin'.

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Herein lies some issues.

The position is an elected one. In her case, it seems to be hereditarial, since her mom held the same position for nearly four decades. Even if the people were inclined to do so, I don't think they can have a recall election for the post. There might be a way to impeach her and remove her from office, but then she might just end up like Judge Roy Moore of Alabama, and get reelected.

Fines probably won't make her move, and likely some of these organization that aren't savvy to gay marriage might even cover them for her.* Jail time would remove her from the office proper, but her underlings might not comply with the orders, either (hence the bench order for her and her staff to report to court, not just her).

And, realistically, in that part of the state, she won't find a better-paying job.
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Re: the bolded- there are rumblings out there that her underlings would issue licenses if they could, but they are scared of her.

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I'm wondering why no one has pointed out that she swore to God to uphold the Constitution when she took office.

While the bible says nothing about gay marriage it does say it's a sin to break an oath.

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A federal judge has ordered Kim Davis to be jailed for contempt of court.
Good. What she's doing is akin to a batter refusing to leave first base because he thinks the ump blew the call. Doesn't matter, at this point, whether the call is right or wrong. They're the umps. --Bob

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If you work for the government you don't get to pick and choose which laws you want to follow. You have to follow all of them or look for some other line of work.
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I don't agree with this clerk. She should step down if she doesn't want to issue the licenses.

That said, please tell the President and the AG what you just said. Maybe they will listen to you.

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If you work for the government you don't get to pick and choose which laws you want to follow. You have to follow all of them or look for some other line of work.
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I don't agree with this clerk. She should step down if she doesn't want to issue the licenses.

That said, please tell the President and the AG what you just said. Maybe they will listen to you.



LOL. Indeed.

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If you work for the government you don't get to pick and choose which laws you want to follow. You have to follow all of them or look for some other line of work.
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I don't agree with this clerk. She should step down if she doesn't want to issue the licenses.

That said, please tell the President and the AG what you just said. Maybe they will listen to you.

Are you saying they aren't following the laws? If so which?

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