Re: Movie time
Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 8:23 pm
I guess I thought this is what fantasy would be for. To show us how it could be.littlebeast13 wrote:an idealized notion of what society should be...
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I guess I thought this is what fantasy would be for. To show us how it could be.littlebeast13 wrote:an idealized notion of what society should be...
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Which half is Admiral Ackbar?Ritterskoop wrote:Wait, what? Women are half the population and they can't be half the crew?
Ritterskoop wrote:I guess I thought this is what fantasy would be for. To show us how it could be.littlebeast13 wrote:an idealized notion of what society should be...
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Top bad guys: 3 white menRitterskoop wrote: I guess I thought this is what fantasy would be for. To show us how it could be.
Finn (John Boyega), one of the heroes of the second trilogy, is a stormtrooper who defected. Since they all wear helmets, it's impossible to know what their racial or sexual background is. One of the few secondary villains with any lines, Captain Phasma, is played by Gwendolyn Christie, and it's revealed in the movie that she is definitely female.BackInTex wrote:Top bad guys: 3 white menRitterskoop wrote: I guess I thought this is what fantasy would be for. To show us how it could be.
Secondary bad guy: 1 white, but Hispanic, man
Summary: Bad guys, all white men
Top good guy leaders: 2 strong white women and one 1 old disenchanted white guy (required due to prior films, but I'm sure if they could go back in time and change Mark Hamill to a woman or minority they would)
Top good guy hero: 1 white woman
Secondary good guy heroes: 1 white man, 1 black man, 1 Asian woman (good but obvious diversity)
Summary: Good guys, mostly women (with the the top 3 of 4 being white)
It could be that way, I guess. I am surprised that Laura Dern's role was not cast with a minority.
They didn't change horses; the same people are in the same roles. It's called progress. It's not like making a WW2 film with women in command or combat roles.littlebeast13 wrote:Ritterskoop wrote:I guess I thought this is what fantasy would be for. To show us how it could be.littlebeast13 wrote:an idealized notion of what society should be...
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And that could certainly be true! But changing horses so late in a series of movies is going to seem odd... just like when people complain about anything else in a long-running series that seems out of place based on the older ones.
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The First Order stormtroopers aren't like the old Empire stormtroopers, who were all clones of Jango Fett, played by a Maori man.silverscreenselect wrote:Finn (John Boyega), one of the heroes of the second trilogy, is a stormtrooper who defected. Since they all wear helmets, it's impossible to know what their racial or sexual background is.
Comparative Advantage: How does it work?littlebeast13 wrote:Ritterskoop wrote:Wait, what? Women are half the population and they can't be half the crew?
I think the crux of where we disagree on PC can be found here in this statement. You ask why can't the crew represent the general demographics? My answer would simply be that it most often doesn't in the real world, for a variety of reasons. There are very few job sectors where the demographics align very well with the overall population... and you can change "job sector" to all kinds of other different segments of society, and the disparity will still almost always be there. In the case of a movie... unless the rules of the story's world are different from those of society as we know it, then why shouldn't the film represent what actually is? I realize it's stupid to criticize a fantasy film for not being realistic, but unless there was some kind of feminist revolution that took place in the Star Wars universe between the settings of the original and sequel movies, then how could a change be seen as anything but pandering to an idealized notion of what society should be... and I think that, more than anything, is what I would define as political correctness... failing to recognize what is just because one thinks it is wrong or unjust to a demographic that has traditionally been considered to be disadvantaged (And I think it is possible to acknowledge that truth without having to accept that it right)...
The majority of my Walmart co-workers are female, while the overwhelming majority of salaried managers have been male. If someone took the time to get to know the general situations and needs of the men and women who work in retail, they would understand why that continues to be true... even in this time when there are so many career women. But most people on the outside just see that X does not equal Y and assume there must be something discriminatory happening. I think the gender PC may be the most irritating one simply because it is inarguable that men and women ARE different at the basic biological level. There will always be outliers and other anomalies, but from a general standpoint, we're still Venus and Mars...
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