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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:36 pm
by Beebs52
Bob Juch wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:It was 116.6° in Sydney today, the hottest since 1939.
So? It's 73 there now.
It's only 9:00 AM now. It will be in the 90s soon.
Summertiiiiime and the livin is greasy...

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:48 am
by themanintheseersuckersuit
16 inches of not climate in the Algerian Sahara
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/90 ... res-photos

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:07 am
by themanintheseersuckersuit
Estonut wrote:
silverscreenselect wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Good will you please state for us what the scientific consensus is exactly?
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
What percentage of climate scientists are "actively publishing?"

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ian-tuttle
"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."

So the consensus is that the earth has warmed since the Little Ice Age. That's weak sauce.

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:11 am
by themanintheseersuckersuit
http://notrickszone.com/2016/07/03/alre ... c3ga1.dpbs
Interestingly, since January 2014, the last 2 and half years, 770 peer-reviewed scientific papers have been published in scholarly journals that call into question just how settled the “consensus” science is that says anthropogenic or CO2 forcing dominates weather and climate changes, or that non-anthropogenic factors play only a relatively minor and inconsequential role.

Instead of supporting the “consensus” science, these 770 papers support the position that there are significant limitations and uncertainties apparent in climate modeling and the predictions of future climate catastrophes. Furthermore, these scientific papers strongly suggest that natural factors (the Sun, multi-decadal ocean oscillations [AMO/PDO, ENSO], cloud and aerosol albedo variations, etc.) have both in the past and present exerted a significant influence on weather and climate, which means an anthropogenic signal may be much more difficult to detect or distinguish as an “extremely likely” cause relative to natural variation. Papers questioning the “common-knowledge” viewpoints on ocean acidification, glacier melt and advance, sea level rise, extreme weather events, past climate forcing mechanisms, the “danger” of high CO2 concentrations, etc., have also been included in this volume of 770 papers.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/03/12/ ... really-is/
the much repeated “97% consensus” is indeed nothing more than a manufactured outcome.

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:13 am
by silverscreenselect
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: "Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."

So the consensus is that the earth has warmed since the Little Ice Age. That's weak sauce.
The consensus isn't just that global warming isn't occurring; it's that the cause of this is due to human activities than can be regulated to minimize the effects.

Drastic climactic changes have occurred in prehistoric times that decimated the majority of species on the planet at that time. The difference between now and then is that we can do something about it now unless we continue to characterize it as "weak sauce" and bring up the occasional anecdotal evidence as proof.

Two people won hundreds of millions in the Powerball and MegaMillions jackpots over the weekend. That's not proof that the lotteries are a good investment (although by all means you should play them).

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:51 am
by themanintheseersuckersuit

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:32 am
by themanintheseersuckersuit

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:32 am
by mrkelley23
The trouble with what this post says is that the viewpoint he is espousing is not what most self-described skeptics are espousing. If you read to the bottom, he says that he agrees that the globe is warming, and that human activities have caused at least part of it. He disagrees with the extent of the problem, and therefore what to do about it. Is that your position, as well? Would you say that most climate change skeptics would agree that the globe is warming, and that human activities have caused at least part of it? Because that's not the vibe I get from the skeptic community.

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:07 am
by themanintheseersuckersuit
The global temperature has risen since the end of the Little Ice Age. Humans have contributed a part of that. Also the warming has been a good thing.

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:09 pm
by mrkelley23
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:The global temperature has risen since the end of the Little Ice Age. Humans have contributed a part of that. Also the warming has been a good thing.
The first two statements are facts. The third is an opinion. I can, and will continue to, discuss issues with people who have strong opinions, especially when they back them up with logical arguments. When I give up is when people will not accept demonstrable facts.

We probably disagree on the extent of current and future climate change. We probably also disagree on what steps, if any, should be taken to minimize the damage from it. But I think we probably are pretty close on the need to take it slowly and consider all options as we address the issue.

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:49 am
by themanintheseersuckersuit
mrkelley23 wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:The global temperature has risen since the end of the Little Ice Age. Humans have contributed a part of that. Also the warming has been a good thing.
The first two statements are facts. The third is an opinion. I can, and will continue to, discuss issues with people who have strong opinions, especially when they back them up with logical arguments. When I give up is when people will not accept demonstrable facts.

We probably disagree on the extent of current and future climate change. We probably also disagree on what steps, if any, should be taken to minimize the damage from it. But I think we probably are pretty close on the need to take it slowly and consider all options as we address the issue.
since the warming we are talking about runs from around 1850 there is some support for my opinion since there has never been a period of greater advancement in widespread improvement of the human condition. (including the decrease in slavery, which I think was made possible by coal)

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:45 pm
by Bob Juch
Global warming roars on: Past four years have been Earth's hottest on record

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... 043927001/

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:18 pm
by themanintheseersuckersuit
Bob Juch wrote:Global warming roars on: Past four years have been Earth's hottest on record

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... 043927001/
Crop yeilds at historic levels

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:54 am
by Bob Juch
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:Global warming roars on: Past four years have been Earth's hottest on record

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... 043927001/
Crop yeilds at historic levels
Wait until there's no water for them.

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:48 am
by BackInTex
Bob Juch wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:Global warming roars on: Past four years have been Earth's hottest on record

https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... 043927001/
Crop yeilds at historic levels
Wait until there's no water for them.
When will that be?

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:56 am
by tlynn78
BackInTex wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: Crop yeilds at historic levels
Wait until there's no water for them.
When will that be?
With the glut of liberal tears, our sea levels have to have risen significantly in the last year.

Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:34 pm
by flockofseagulls104
BackInTex wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: Crop yeilds at historic levels
Wait until there's no water for them.
When will that be?
The Day After Tomorrow.