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flockofseagulls104 wrote:

Bob Juch wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote:What, are you SSS? Telling me what I listen to and read? No, I have not read Forbes. I don't think I ever have read Forbes. Ask yourself why you would think that, if you are capable of introspection.

Because you parrot what's in this article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderi ... b2f1930ce9

I don't parrot anything, polly.

Flock, every political comment you make can be traced directly to some spurious right wing source.

A parrot doesn't realize it's parroting either.

Read it for yourself

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploaded ... letter.pdf

silverscreenselect wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote:

Bob Juch wrote: Because you parrot what's in this article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderi ... b2f1930ce9

I don't parrot anything, polly.

Flock, every political comment you make can be traced directly to some spurious right wing source.

A parrot doesn't realize it's parroting either.

Really? I don't even know where to start on that. I don't even think it's worth my time. Go ahead and keep thinking that, SSS, if it makes you feel comfortable with your bigoted mindset.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Read it for yourself

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploaded ... letter.pdf

I'm going to predict the usual suspects will have no problem with any of this, because, feelings. And Trump.

tlynn78 wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Read it for yourself

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploaded ... letter.pdf

I'm going to predict the usual suspects will have no problem with any of this, because, feelings. And Trump.

Bob#s was so worried because the FBI had "grave concerns" regarding its release. As I thought, those concerns were primarily for their reputation. Nothing, absolutely nothing, in that document poses a risk to national security.

BackInTex wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Read it for yourself

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploaded ... letter.pdf

I'm going to predict the usual suspects will have no problem with any of this, because, feelings. And Trump.

Bob#s was so worried because the FBI had "grave concerns" regarding its release. As I thought, those concerns were primarily for their reputation. Nothing, absolutely nothing, in that document poses a risk to national security.

He parroted that concern from spurious left-wing sources. No one on this bored thinks for themselves except SSS. At least that's what hannity told me to write.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:

BackInTex wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:

I'm going to predict the usual suspects will have no problem with any of this, because, feelings. And Trump.

Bob#s was so worried because the FBI had "grave concerns" regarding its release. As I thought, those concerns were primarily for their reputation. Nothing, absolutely nothing, in that document poses a risk to national security.

He parroted that concern from spurious left-wing sources. No one on this bored thinks for themselves except SSS. At least that's what hannity told me to write.

LOL!

No response yet from the usual suspects. I guess there are no clear focus group talking points released yet from CNN.

BackInTex wrote: Bob#s was so worried because the FBI had "grave concerns" regarding its release. As I thought, those concerns were primarily for their reputation. Nothing, absolutely nothing, in that document poses a risk to national security.

Why won't Trump and the Republicans release the Democratic memo which gives their interpretation of the underlying documents (none of which we have seen)?

BackInTex wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote:Read it for yourself

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploaded ... letter.pdf

I'm going to predict the usual suspects will have no problem with any of this, because, feelings. And Trump.

Bob#s was so worried because the FBI had "grave concerns" regarding its release. As I thought, those concerns were primarily for their reputation. Nothing, absolutely nothing, in that document poses a risk to national security.

So you're claiming it shouldn't have been classified?

Oh, this is going to be amusing.

BackInTex wrote: Bob#s was so worried because the FBI had "grave concerns" regarding its release. As I thought, those concerns were primarily for their reputation. Nothing, absolutely nothing, in that document poses a risk to national security.

And as far as I can tell, nothing in this memo hasn't been out in public for months already. The only thing this memo does is put the "official" seal of approval of the Republican members of the committee.

The gist of the memo is that the Steele dossier was the only or the primary evidence in support of the FISA warrant, and there's no documentation to back that up because the actual presentation to the FISA court is classified (and it probably should be since it could well list confidential sources for some of the facts it provided). There is also a statement from McCabe that "no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information." Of course, that's obviously a paraphrase, and McCabe's testimony before the Committee has not been made public so it's impossible to know just what he actually said and in what context.

Now, the usual Trump flunkies like Flock and Hannity will have a field day with this "definitive proof" but without context it means nothing.

Three observations and ruminations:

1) I don't think the FBI was inclined against Trump before all this, but I doubt he's got many friends there now and it won't get better if he fires his most recent appointee Wray and replaces him with a toady.

2) I wonder how long it's going to take the Democratic response to this memo to get leaked to the press. My guess is shortly after Trump refuses an official request to make it public.

3) I have a feeling that winter (in the sense of big name indictments) is coming sooner rather than later although it may be a while if ever before the land the Big Kahuna. And unlike this memo, when someone gets indicted, the facts in the indictment become part of the public record and will be made public almost immediately, so people can judge whether it's a hatchet job or not. And, while prosecutors often hold back a lot of cards in an indictment to avoid tipping off the defense, Mueller will lay it on here.

flockofseagulls104 wrote:No response yet from the usual suspects. I guess there are no clear focus group talking points released yet from CNN.

Is this one of the usual suspects?

U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, released the following statement on partisan attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice:

“In 2016, the Russian government engaged in an elaborate plot to interfere in an American election and undermine our democracy. Russia employed the same tactics it has used to influence elections around the world, from France and Germany to Ukraine, Montenegro, and beyond. Putin’s regime launched cyberattacks and spread disinformation with the goal of sowing chaos and weakening faith in our institutions. And while we have no evidence that these efforts affected the outcome of our election, I fear they succeeded in fueling political discord and dividing us from one another.

“The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party’s, no president’s, only Putin’s. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/in ... 4EDBE182C1

silverscreenselect wrote:

BackInTex wrote: Bob#s was so worried because the FBI had "grave concerns" regarding its release. As I thought, those concerns were primarily for their reputation. Nothing, absolutely nothing, in that document poses a risk to national security.

Why won't Trump and the Republicans release the Democratic memo which gives their interpretation of the underlying documents (none of which we have seen)?

Not to worry. It will be leaked soon.

silverscreenselect wrote:

flockofseagulls104 wrote:No response yet from the usual suspects. I guess there are no clear focus group talking points released yet from CNN.

Is this one of the usual suspects?

U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, released the following statement on partisan attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice:

“In 2016, the Russian government engaged in an elaborate plot to interfere in an American election and undermine our democracy. Russia employed the same tactics it has used to influence elections around the world, from France and Germany to Ukraine, Montenegro, and beyond. Putin’s regime launched cyberattacks and spread disinformation with the goal of sowing chaos and weakening faith in our institutions. And while we have no evidence that these efforts affected the outcome of our election, I fear they succeeded in fueling political discord and dividing us from one another.

“The latest attacks on the FBI and Department of Justice serve no American interests – no party’s, no president’s, only Putin’s. The American people deserve to know all of the facts surrounding Russia’s ongoing efforts to subvert our democracy, which is why Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation must proceed unimpeded. Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/in ... 4EDBE182C1

Yes.

I assume the link to the memo was readable when Flock posted it, but now it's garbled (Russian hackers at work?). Here's a better link:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... SD001.html

Given Nunes's track record, I give this memo as much credibility as stories that Clinton ran a human trafficking ring, or Trump cavorted with Russian prostitutes.

jarnon wrote:I assume the link to the memo was readable when Flock posted it, but now it's garbled (Russian hackers at work?). Here's a better link:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... SD001.html

Given Nunes's track record, I give this memo as much credibility as stories that Clinton ran a human trafficking ring, or Trump cavorted with Russian prostitutes.

Certainly explains why Dems tried so hard to keep it sealed, or discredit it.

tlynn78 wrote:

jarnon wrote:I assume the link to the memo was readable when Flock posted it, but now it's garbled (Russian hackers at work?). Here's a better link:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... SD001.html

Given Nunes's track record, I give this memo as much credibility as stories that Clinton ran a human trafficking ring, or Trump cavorted with Russian prostitutes.

Certainly explains why Dems tried so hard to keep it sealed, or discredit it.

Please explain to me in detail why this memorandum is more accurate than the Democratic response memo. Thanks.

The Democratic position was that a one-sided release was inappropriate. Both or none should be released. Why are the Republicans afraid for the public to see the Democratic response memo?

But all of this is a tempest in a teapot. At this point, the issue isn't how the investigation got started. It's whether Donny and his campaign colluded with the Russians to violate U.S. law (and get himself elected), including the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. --Bob

We all need to wait to see what David Duke thinks of all this.

Bob78164 wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:

jarnon wrote:I assume the link to the memo was readable when Flock posted it, but now it's garbled (Russian hackers at work?). Here's a better link:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... SD001.html

Given Nunes's track record, I give this memo as much credibility as stories that Clinton ran a human trafficking ring, or Trump cavorted with Russian prostitutes.

Certainly explains why Dems tried so hard to keep it sealed, or discredit it.

Please explain to me in detail why this memorandum is more accurate than the Democratic response memo. Thanks.

The Democratic position was that a one-sided release was inappropriate. Both or none should be released. Why are the Republicans afraid for the public to see the Democratic response memo?

But all of this is a tempest in a teapot. At this point, the issue isn't how the investigation got started. It's whether Donny and his campaign colluded with the Russians to violate U.S. law (and get himself elected), including the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. --Bob

I haven't seen the Dem response memo.

It is clear to anyone who isn't blinded by Trump-hate that Clinton, after first cheating Bernie to assure herself the nomination, continued to attempt to secure the presidency by any means necessary, aided by the Obama administration. Tell me you'll be fine if Trump has "his" FBI conduct similar activities against his opponent in three years.

Bob78164 wrote: At this point, the issue isn't how the investigation got started. It's whether Donny and his campaign colluded with the Russians to violate U.S. law (and get himself elected), including the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. --Bob

The memo deals with evidence in connection with the renewal of a warrant in October 2016 against Carter Page, a Trump aide who had known ties to Russian interests dating back several years. And, as the memo itself indicates, the investigation into Trump began months earlier based on information regarding George Papadapolous, who has already been flipped.

If you look at the totality of "abuses" being alleged here, you find that they were all committed by FBI agents and Justice Department officials who were Republicans, many of them appointed to their offices by Bush or Trump, including Rosenstein and Wray. What the Republicans now claim is that their own people were biased against them to the extent of setting up a deep state operation to prevent Trump from being elected while at the same time releasing damaging information about Hillary Clinton 10 days before the election. That's really 15-dimensional chess at work.

I am a bit concerned that the longer this "memo" stands out there unchallenged, the greater the risk that the public will accept its conclusory allegations as fact, even though they are devoid of any context or documentation whatsoever. I have a feeling that the Democratic response will surface sooner rather than later.

tlynn78 wrote:
I haven't seen the Dem response memo.

The reason you or anyone else in the general public hasn't seen the Democratic response is that the Republicans refused to declassify it and allow its release.

It is clear to anyone who isn't blinded by Trump-hate that Clinton, after first cheating Bernie to assure herself the nomination, continued to attempt to secure the presidency by any means necessary, aided by the Obama administration. Tell me you'll be fine if Trump has "his" FBI conduct similar activities against his opponent in three years.

Leaving aside what Evil Hillary would or would not do, the fact is that the FBI is predominantly populated by Republicans, including James Comey the director at the time. If Comey wanted to ensure Hillary's win, all he had to do was sit on that last Wienergate e-mail investigation for two more weeks and no one would have been the wiser.

silverscreenselect wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:
I haven't seen the Dem response memo.

The reason you or anyone else in the general public hasn't seen the Democratic response is that the Republicans refused to declassify it and allow its release.

It is clear to anyone who isn't blinded by Trump-hate that Clinton, after first cheating Bernie to assure herself the nomination, continued to attempt to secure the presidency by any means necessary, aided by the Obama administration. Tell me you'll be fine if Trump has "his" FBI conduct similar activities against his opponent in three years.

Leaving aside what Evil Hillary would or would not do, the fact is that the FBI is predominantly populated by Republicans, including James Comey the director at the time. If Comey wanted to ensure Hillary's win, all he had to do was sit on that last Wienergate e-mail investigation for two more weeks and no one would have been the wiser.

LOL - you're still telling yourself it was Comey who cost Hillary the election?

Bob78164 wrote: The Democratic position was that a one-sided release was inappropriate. Both or none should be released. Why are the Republicans afraid for the public to see the Democratic response memo?

But all of this is a tempest in a teapot. At this point, the issue isn't how the investigation got started. It's whether Donny and his campaign colluded with the Russians to violate U.S. law (and get himself elected), including the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. --Bob

Bobbie, Bobbie, Bobbie. The Democratic position WAS that it would damaging to our security. The Democratic position NOW is that it is one sided. Funny how that changed, and how you try to change history.

Don't worry, it will be leaked, because those wanting it released have no qualms about breaking the law.

tlynn78 wrote:
LOL - you're still telling yourself it was Comey who cost Hillary the election?

Comey didn't cost Hillary the election but he didn't help. The question is if Comey was part of this vast, secret anti-Trump conspiracy to elect Hillary, why did he reopen the Wienergate mess 10 days before the election when it could only hurt Hillary?