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On Fortnite and the Parkland Massacre

#1 Post by Spock » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:54 am

I note that roughly concurrent with the Parkland Massacre and the intense focus on AR-15's and teenage boys, that we have a video game sensation (Fortnite) that involves teen boys shooting virtual Ar-15's.

It strikes me as odd, in this day of endless TV and internet chatter, that I have never seen that juxtaposition even mentioned, let alone analyzed.
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#2 Post by Bob Juch » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:44 am

Spock wrote:I note that roughly concurrent with the Parkland Massacre and the intense focus on AR-15's and teenage boys, that we have a video game sensation (Fortnite) that involves teen boys shooting virtual Ar-15's.

It strikes me as odd, in this day of endless TV and internet chatter, that I have never seen that juxtaposition even mentioned, let alone analyzed.
Have you played it or are you taking someone's word for it?

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How many teens with AR-15's can you count?
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#3 Post by jarnon » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:05 pm

Good Morning America just had a story on Fortnite. But Spock scooped them.

Pres. Trump will be meeting with video game executives to discuss violent content.
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#4 Post by Bob Juch » Sat Mar 03, 2018 2:16 pm

jarnon wrote:Good Morning America just had a story on Fortnite. But Spock scooped them.

Pres. Trump will be meeting with video game executives to discuss violent content.
Aren't the same games available in other countries? I wonder why they don't have many mass shootings?
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#5 Post by silverscreenselect » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:57 pm

Bob Juch wrote: Aren't the same games available in other countries? I wonder why they don't have many mass shootings?
Maybe it's because they operate on 220V.
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#6 Post by bazodee » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:08 pm

silverscreenselect wrote:
Bob Juch wrote: Aren't the same games available in other countries? I wonder why they don't have many mass shootings?
Maybe it's because they operate on 220V.
It's the Metric system.
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#7 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:15 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
jarnon wrote:Good Morning America just had a story on Fortnite. But Spock scooped them.

Pres. Trump will be meeting with video game executives to discuss violent content.
Aren't the same games available in other countries? I wonder why they don't have many mass shootings?
Some info https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/compa ... nd-europe/
Well, then
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#8 Post by Bob Juch » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:11 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
jarnon wrote:Good Morning America just had a story on Fortnite. But Spock scooped them.

Pres. Trump will be meeting with video game executives to discuss violent content.
Aren't the same games available in other countries? I wonder why they don't have many mass shootings?
Some info https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/compa ... nd-europe/
The author of More Guns, Less Crime has cherry-picked his data.
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#9 Post by Beebs52 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:49 pm

Bob Juch wrote:
Beebs52 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote: Aren't the same games available in other countries? I wonder why they don't have many mass shootings?
Some info https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/compa ... nd-europe/
The author of More Guns, Less Crime has cherry-picked his data.
How?
Well, then
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#10 Post by Bob Juch » Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:38 pm

Beebs52 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
The author of More Guns, Less Crime has cherry-picked his data.
How?
With a cherry picker, of course.

For one, he set very narrow criteria for what he considers a mass shooting. He also includes terrorist attacks.
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#11 Post by BackInTex » Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:06 pm

Bob Juch wrote: The author of More Guns, Less Crime has cherry-picked his data.
Bob Juch wrote: For one, he set very narrow criteria for what he considers a mass shooting.
That's not cherry picking.
Bob Juch wrote: He also includes terrorist attacks.
Broadening the definition certainly is not cherry picking.

As long as he is consistent in his definition, it is not cherry picking.
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#12 Post by silverscreenselect » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:30 am

BackInTex wrote:
Broadening the definition certainly is not cherry picking.

As long as he is consistent in his definition, it is not cherry picking.
Broadening the definition is cherry picking when you broaden the definition for the sole purpose of skewing the findings in your direction. And, they didn't just broaden the definition. They broadened it in one way, by including gang shootings, and narrowed it another, by excluding terrorist acts. Obviously, by excluding gang shootings (common in the US) and including terrorist acts (more common in Europe), you skew the statistics. The fact that other studies use the same definition is beside the point, because they were studies conducted for different purposes, for which such definitions were helpful in forming valid conclusions..
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#13 Post by earendel » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:24 am

I realize that Slate isn't the most unbiased of sources, but I found this article interesting.
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03/vi ... lture.html
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