So, how did the drug cartels or Omar Mateen get in a discussion of international diplomatic policy?BackInTex wrote: The Mexican drug cartels have no nuclear capabilities either, so that makes Mexico a safer place.
Neither did Omar Mateen. He had no nuclear capability.
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Trump is making changes in American foreign policy.BackInTex wrote:The Mexican drug cartels have no nuclear capabilities either, so that makes Mexico a safer place.silverscreenselect wrote:In the case of Iran, nothing was the goal. As in, the Iranians would do nothing to further their nuclear capabilities, and that worked out rather well until Trump stepped in.flockofseagulls104 wrote: I prefer his type of diplomacy to that of sending billions of dollars in cash to a rogue regime in return for nothing. .
Neither did Omar Mateen. He had no nuclear capability.
So I guess we can all sleep well now.
Goodnight.
Instead of sending billions to foreign countries so they won't nuke us, now foreign countries send millions to Trump companies so he can help them.
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silverscreenselect wrote:I am not the expert on these matters. I do, unlike many on the right, including the President, listen to what the actual experts do have to say about these matters. And the reason I mention Fox a lot is because the President seems to use them as a reference quite a lot (as do a lot of other right wingers).flockofseagulls104 wrote: Why the hell aren't you the supreme leader of the universe by now since you claim to know everything about everything?
Yes, and we all know that Fox news ONLY reports lies and damned lies. They get nothing right and are nothing but propaganda from the right. Their 'experts' are all actors, well paid to recite words written for them by the Koch Brothers. And it's our duty to trash the entire network, marginalize anything they report on that doesn't agree with our view of things, and try and make sure anyone who does watch them is branded as a dumb 'trump lover'.
C'mon, get real. I'm not going to go with that shit anymore. Fox news is as valid a news organization as any that are out there. The difference is that they give weight to the conservative viewpoint, where most of the other news outlets view conservatives as the 'others'. And their opinion shows are headed by conservatives, not liberals. Name one MSM political talk or interview show hosted by someone who is not a liberal democrat. I can't think of any. So when you try to deflect with 'Faux' News, I will not go for it anymore. Get a real argument.
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More sloganeering. No proof, but it sounds good. Got it.silverscreenselect wrote:Trump is making changes in American foreign policy.BackInTex wrote:The Mexican drug cartels have no nuclear capabilities either, so that makes Mexico a safer place.silverscreenselect wrote:
In the case of Iran, nothing was the goal. As in, the Iranians would do nothing to further their nuclear capabilities, and that worked out rather well until Trump stepped in.
Neither did Omar Mateen. He had no nuclear capability.
So I guess we can all sleep well now.
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I thought you had finally gotten it right.flockofseagulls104 wrote:Yes, and we all know that Fox news ONLY reports lies and damned lies. They get nothing right and are nothing but propaganda from the right. Their 'experts' are all actors, well paid to recite words written for them by the Koch Brothers. And it's our duty to trash the entire network, marginalize anything they report on that doesn't agree with our view of things, and try and make sure anyone who does watch them is branded as a dumb 'trump lover'.
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Housefly.Bob Juch wrote:I thought you had finally gotten it right.flockofseagulls104 wrote:Yes, and we all know that Fox news ONLY reports lies and damned lies. They get nothing right and are nothing but propaganda from the right. Their 'experts' are all actors, well paid to recite words written for them by the Koch Brothers. And it's our duty to trash the entire network, marginalize anything they report on that doesn't agree with our view of things, and try and make sure anyone who does watch them is branded as a dumb 'trump lover'.
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Moon is determined to keep the peace process alive.
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Don't want this thread to get lost. We might need it.
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I can't believe I'm in this thread, but are we saying that Fox News is not part of the mainstream media?
What does "mainstream" mean, then?
Basic cable Nielsen ratings for 2017 (news channels bolded)
1. Fox News Channel 2.46M
2. ESPN 2.06M
3. MSNBC 1.66M
4. USA Network 1.62M
5. HGTV 1.51M
6. TBS 1.45M
7. Nickelodeon 1.36M
8. Discovery 1.32M
9. History 1.31M
10. TNT 1.28M
11. Hallmark Channel 1.22M
12. Investigation Discovery 1.10M
13. CNN 1.07M
What does "mainstream" mean, then?
Basic cable Nielsen ratings for 2017 (news channels bolded)
1. Fox News Channel 2.46M
2. ESPN 2.06M
3. MSNBC 1.66M
4. USA Network 1.62M
5. HGTV 1.51M
6. TBS 1.45M
7. Nickelodeon 1.36M
8. Discovery 1.32M
9. History 1.31M
10. TNT 1.28M
11. Hallmark Channel 1.22M
12. Investigation Discovery 1.10M
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I thought "mainstream media" meant traditional things like TV, radio and newspapers, rather than internet sources.
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I think it should mean some fidelity to journalistic standards like accuracy. Fox News flunks that test far too often -- the most recent example I can easily think of is using a picture of Philadelphia Eagles praying to illustrate players kneeling during the national anthem to make a political point, when in fact none of the Eagles' players actually did so. That's probably why a survey a while ago discovered that people who watch Fox News are less well informed about the world than are people who watch no news at all.Ritterskoop wrote:I can't believe I'm in this thread, but are we saying that Fox News is not part of the mainstream media?
What does "mainstream" mean, then?
Basic cable Nielsen ratings for 2017 (news channels bolded)
1. Fox News Channel 2.46M
2. ESPN 2.06M
3. MSNBC 1.66M
4. USA Network 1.62M
5. HGTV 1.51M
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7. Nickelodeon 1.36M
8. Discovery 1.32M
9. History 1.31M
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12. Investigation Discovery 1.10M
13. CNN 1.07M
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Whatever comes from this meeting, it's certainly historic. And if it's successful, the left can be sure Trump will continue to provide sound bites they can clutch their pearls over, and failing that, they can overcome their disappointment over a successful Singapore meeting by joining Bill Maher in hoping for a recession!BackInTex wrote:Don't want this thread to get lost. We might need it.
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Dan Rather? failBob78164 wrote: Shepard Smith seems to care about accuracy. Not so sure about the rest of the Fox News cast. --Bob
Brian Williams? fail
All networks have their embarrassments.
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False equivalence. All networks make mistakes. CBS and NBC demonstrably care about their mistakes. Can't think of any cast members at Fox News who have paid a professional price there for spouting the party line. --BobBackInTex wrote:Dan Rather? failBob78164 wrote: Shepard Smith seems to care about accuracy. Not so sure about the rest of the Fox News cast. --Bob
Brian Williams? fail
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You are hilarious. Truly.Bob78164 wrote:False equivalence. All networks make mistakes. CBS and NBC demonstrably care about their mistakes. Can't think of any cast members at Fox News who have paid a professional price there for spouting the party line. --BobBackInTex wrote:Dan Rather? failBob78164 wrote: Shepard Smith seems to care about accuracy. Not so sure about the rest of the Fox News cast. --Bob
Brian Williams? fail
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There's a difference between "spouting the party line" and "making shit up". I will acknowledge that.tlynn78 wrote:You are hilarious. Truly.Bob78164 wrote:False equivalence. All networks make mistakes. CBS and NBC demonstrably care about their mistakes. Can't think of any cast members at Fox News who have paid a professional price there for spouting the party line. --BobBackInTex wrote:
Dan Rather? fail
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And Fox News makes shit up, but as long as its consistent with the party line, none of its cast members pay a price for doing so. --BobBackInTex wrote:There's a difference between "spouting the party line" and "making shit up". I will acknowledge that.tlynn78 wrote:You are hilarious. Truly.Bob78164 wrote:False equivalence. All networks make mistakes. CBS and NBC demonstrably care about their mistakes. Can't think of any cast members at Fox News who have paid a professional price there for spouting the party line. --Bob
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They spin stuff (like others do) but they don't make it up. You on the other hand....Bob78164 wrote:And Fox News makes shit up, but as long as its consistent with the party line, none of its cast members pay a price for doing so. --BobBackInTex wrote:There's a difference between "spouting the party line" and "making shit up". I will acknowledge that.tlynn78 wrote:
You are hilarious. Truly.
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You mean like your claim (in the other thread, which I refuted with a link) that Donny's 41% approval rating is higher than President Obama's at this point in his term, when in fact President Obama's approval rating was nearly 6% higher than Donny's is?BackInTex wrote:They spin stuff (like others do) but they don't make it up. You on the other hand....Bob78164 wrote:And Fox News makes shit up, but as long as its consistent with the party line, none of its cast members pay a price for doing so. --BobBackInTex wrote:
There's a difference between "spouting the party line" and "making shit up". I will acknowledge that.
The Eagles stuff was flat-out made up. And so is a lot of their other stuff. --Bob
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Only a complete dumbass would think they don't ALL make crap up to fit the party narrative.Bob78164 wrote:You mean like your claim (in the other thread, which I refuted with a link) that Donny's 41% approval rating is higher than President Obama's at this point in his term, when in fact President Obama's approval rating was nearly 6% higher than Donny's is?BackInTex wrote:They spin stuff (like others do) but they don't make it up. You on the other hand....Bob78164 wrote:And Fox News makes shit up, but as long as its consistent with the party line, none of its cast members pay a price for doing so. --Bob
The Eagles stuff was flat-out made up. And so is a lot of their other stuff. --Bob
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No, I mean Trumps 47% beat Barry's 46% in a better poll.Bob78164 wrote:You mean like your claim (in the other thread, which I refuted with a link) that Donny's 41% approval rating is higher than President Obama's at this point in his term, when in fact President Obama's approval rating was nearly 6% higher than Donny's is?
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That's funny. You've gotten pissed at me in the past for pointing out that you referred to President Obama disrespectfully, which much less cause than I have for my disrespect for Donny. --BobBackInTex wrote:No, I mean Trumps 47% beat Barry's 46% in a better poll.Bob78164 wrote:You mean like your claim (in the other thread, which I refuted with a link) that Donny's 41% approval rating is higher than President Obama's at this point in his term, when in fact President Obama's approval rating was nearly 6% higher than Donny's is?
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Flock said this earlier in the thread
"Name one MSM political talk or interview show hosted by someone who is not a liberal democrat. I can't think of any."
is what I was asking about the mainstream media definition. All it turned into is name-calling.
So, for reals, why is Fox News Channel not part of the mainstream media by any definition?
Thanks for helping me understand and not calling me names.
"Name one MSM political talk or interview show hosted by someone who is not a liberal democrat. I can't think of any."
is what I was asking about the mainstream media definition. All it turned into is name-calling.
So, for reals, why is Fox News Channel not part of the mainstream media by any definition?
Thanks for helping me understand and not calling me names.
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In my view, with too-rare exceptions, they don't adequately adhere to journalistic standards of accuracy. It's not so much their rate of inaccuracy (although I think it's unacceptably high) as that I've seen little or no evidence that they care about accuracy at a corporate level. That, to me, is disqualifying. --BobRitterskoop wrote:Flock said this earlier in the thread
"Name one MSM political talk or interview show hosted by someone who is not a liberal democrat. I can't think of any."
is what I was asking about the mainstream media definition. All it turned into is name-calling.
So, for reals, why is Fox News Channel not part of the mainstream media by any definition?
Thanks for helping me understand and not calling me names.
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Here's one case where they got it right:Bob78164 wrote:they don't adequately adhere to journalistic standards of accuracy.
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