Re: You Might Want to Hold Off on Nobel Peace Prize
Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 12:09 pm
Actually is it Ben Shapiro's.tlynn78 wrote:but that's BiT's quote, not mine.
A home for the weary.
https://www.wwtbambored.com/
Actually is it Ben Shapiro's.tlynn78 wrote:but that's BiT's quote, not mine.
Why are these people fleeing from gangs and violence in their country of El Slavador (or whichever non-Mexico country), not getting asylum in Mexico?jarnon wrote: The legal entry points are overwhelmed, as is the immigration judicial system.
Donny gets no credit from me for deciding not to further exacerbate a situation he created. This was a monstrous policy, its effects will continue to be felt for the indefinite future, and Donny is solely to blame for it.flockofseagulls104 wrote:There are 2 sides to every story.
While I applaud trump for doing an executive order to try and alleviate the situation, the fact is Congress must fix it. We cannot be governed by executive orders (Thanks, Obama). Charles Schumer is an idiot. He refuses to even participate in fixing the situation because it is a great political tool for him. He hates to waste the overblown outrage that has been produced over this situation.
https://twitter.com/megwagner/status/10 ... 7970518018
Agree with her or not, she makes her case. Goddamn it, Congress, do your job.
Tell me, Bob, did you swear to uphold only those laws with which you agree?Bob78164 wrote:Donny gets no credit from me for deciding not to further exacerbate a situation he created. This was a monstrous policy, its effects will continue to be felt for the indefinite future, and Donny is solely to blame for it.flockofseagulls104 wrote:There are 2 sides to every story.
While I applaud trump for doing an executive order to try and alleviate the situation, the fact is Congress must fix it. We cannot be governed by executive orders (Thanks, Obama). Charles Schumer is an idiot. He refuses to even participate in fixing the situation because it is a great political tool for him. He hates to waste the overblown outrage that has been produced over this situation.
https://twitter.com/megwagner/status/10 ... 7970518018
Agree with her or not, she makes her case. Goddamn it, Congress, do your job.
And as for the thousands of kids who have already been separated from their parents, Donny has made the affirmative decision that they and their parents get no relief, and the separation will continue. So he's not even fixing the problem he created. He's just given up on trying to make it worse than his actions have already made it.
As for Congressional action, every member of the Democratic Senate caucus (this includes the two independents) has signed on as a co-sponsor of the Keep Families Together Act. Not one Republican Senator, though. They're all too afraid of Donny. --Bob
bob-tel. Let's be perfectly clear on this. President Trump did not create this situation. The people who illegally crossed our borders with children, who may or may not be theirs, caused the situation. The solution, if there is one, according to our Constitution, lies in the legislative body, which is Congress, not in Presidential Executive Actions.Donny gets no credit from me for deciding not to further exacerbate a situation he created.
Tell me, t-girl, do you think that any government anywhere prosecutes absolutely every alleged crime it's aware of? If you think that, maybe you should have a chat with some of the prosecutors who practice in your court.tlynn78 wrote:Tell me, Bob, did you swear to uphold only those laws with which you agree?Bob78164 wrote:Donny gets no credit from me for deciding not to further exacerbate a situation he created. This was a monstrous policy, its effects will continue to be felt for the indefinite future, and Donny is solely to blame for it.flockofseagulls104 wrote:There are 2 sides to every story.
While I applaud trump for doing an executive order to try and alleviate the situation, the fact is Congress must fix it. We cannot be governed by executive orders (Thanks, Obama). Charles Schumer is an idiot. He refuses to even participate in fixing the situation because it is a great political tool for him. He hates to waste the overblown outrage that has been produced over this situation.
https://twitter.com/megwagner/status/10 ... 7970518018
Agree with her or not, she makes her case. Goddamn it, Congress, do your job.
And as for the thousands of kids who have already been separated from their parents, Donny has made the affirmative decision that they and their parents get no relief, and the separation will continue. So he's not even fixing the problem he created. He's just given up on trying to make it worse than his actions have already made it.
As for Congressional action, every member of the Democratic Senate caucus (this includes the two independents) has signed on as a co-sponsor of the Keep Families Together Act. Not one Republican Senator, though. They're all too afraid of Donny. --Bob
That wasn't the question, Bob. Can't answer, or won't. Got it. In it's own way, an answer.Bob78164 wrote:Tell me, t-girl, do you think that any government anywhere prosecutes absolutely every alleged crime it's aware of? If you think that, maybe you should have a chat with some of the prosecutors who practice in your court.tlynn78 wrote:Tell me, Bob, did you swear to uphold only those laws with which you agree?Bob78164 wrote:Donny gets no credit from me for deciding not to further exacerbate a situation he created. This was a monstrous policy, its effects will continue to be felt for the indefinite future, and Donny is solely to blame for it.
And as for the thousands of kids who have already been separated from their parents, Donny has made the affirmative decision that they and their parents get no relief, and the separation will continue. So he's not even fixing the problem he created. He's just given up on trying to make it worse than his actions have already made it.
As for Congressional action, every member of the Democratic Senate caucus (this includes the two independents) has signed on as a co-sponsor of the Keep Families Together Act. Not one Republican Senator, though. They're all too afraid of Donny. --Bob
Donny's been hurting children. He did it deliberately. He did it by choice. And he did it to try to accomplish political goals.
He's stopped doing it for the moment, but as far as I can tell he's doing nothing for the children he's already hurt and he's leaving the door open to doing it again. Any abstract principle that tries to justify that doesn't deserve fidelity. And I have no patience for anyone who tries to justify hurting children for that principle. --Bob
I didn't swear to uphold any laws at all. I'm not a prosecutor, and that's not my job. My job is to represent my clients, consistently with the laws (including laws for which I can make a good faith argument for reversal) and the rules of court.tlynn78 wrote:That wasn't the question, Bob. Can't answer, or won't. Got it. In it's own way, an answer.Bob78164 wrote:Tell me, t-girl, do you think that any government anywhere prosecutes absolutely every alleged crime it's aware of? If you think that, maybe you should have a chat with some of the prosecutors who practice in your court.tlynn78 wrote:
Tell me, Bob, did you swear to uphold only those laws with which you agree?
Donny's been hurting children. He did it deliberately. He did it by choice. And he did it to try to accomplish political goals.
He's stopped doing it for the moment, but as far as I can tell he's doing nothing for the children he's already hurt and he's leaving the door open to doing it again. Any abstract principle that tries to justify that doesn't deserve fidelity. And I have no patience for anyone who tries to justify hurting children for that principle. --Bob
VileBob78164 wrote:I didn't swear to uphold any laws at all. I'm not a prosecutor, and that's not my job. My job is to represent my clients, consistently with the laws (including laws for which I can make a good faith argument for reversal) and the rules of court.tlynn78 wrote:That wasn't the question, Bob. Can't answer, or won't. Got it. In it's own way, an answer.Bob78164 wrote:Tell me, t-girl, do you think that any government anywhere prosecutes absolutely every alleged crime it's aware of? If you think that, maybe you should have a chat with some of the prosecutors who practice in your court.
Donny's been hurting children. He did it deliberately. He did it by choice. And he did it to try to accomplish political goals.
He's stopped doing it for the moment, but as far as I can tell he's doing nothing for the children he's already hurt and he's leaving the door open to doing it again. Any abstract principle that tries to justify that doesn't deserve fidelity. And I have no patience for anyone who tries to justify hurting children for that principle. --Bob
None of which has anything to do with choosing to hurt children.
Are you okay with the actions Donny has taken to hurt children, or aren't you? Based on what you've said here, I'm pretty sure you are, but I'll ask the question directly. --Bob
bob-tel, you are a sick man. I don't know if your trump-hatred has brought this out in you, or if you were this way all along. I had no problem with you before trump was elected. It must be the trump hatred.Bob78164 wrote:I didn't swear to uphold any laws at all. I'm not a prosecutor, and that's not my job. My job is to represent my clients, consistently with the laws (including laws for which I can make a good faith argument for reversal) and the rules of court.tlynn78 wrote:That wasn't the question, Bob. Can't answer, or won't. Got it. In it's own way, an answer.Bob78164 wrote:Tell me, t-girl, do you think that any government anywhere prosecutes absolutely every alleged crime it's aware of? If you think that, maybe you should have a chat with some of the prosecutors who practice in your court.
Donny's been hurting children. He did it deliberately. He did it by choice. And he did it to try to accomplish political goals.
He's stopped doing it for the moment, but as far as I can tell he's doing nothing for the children he's already hurt and he's leaving the door open to doing it again. Any abstract principle that tries to justify that doesn't deserve fidelity. And I have no patience for anyone who tries to justify hurting children for that principle. --Bob
None of which has anything to do with choosing to hurt children.
Are you okay with the actions Donny has taken to hurt children, or aren't you? Based on what you've said here, I'm pretty sure you are, but I'll ask the question directly. --Bob
No kidding.I didn't swear to uphold any laws at all
Wow.Bob78164 wrote:]I didn't swear to uphold any laws at all. I'm not a prosecutor, and that's not my job. My job is to represent my clients, consistently with the laws (including laws for which I can make a good faith argument for reversal) and the rules of court.
None of which has anything to do with choosing to hurt children.
Are you okay with the actions Donny has taken to hurt children, or aren't you? Based on what you've said here, I'm pretty sure you are, but I'll ask the question directly. --Bob
T-Girl, he clearly has an out. He swore that he would "support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California, and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of an attorney and counselor at law to the best of my knowledge and ability."tlynn78 wrote:Wow.Bob78164 wrote:]I didn't swear to uphold any laws at all. I'm not a prosecutor, and that's not my job. My job is to represent my clients, consistently with the laws (including laws for which I can make a good faith argument for reversal) and the rules of court.
None of which has anything to do with choosing to hurt children.
Are you okay with the actions Donny has taken to hurt children, or aren't you? Based on what you've said here, I'm pretty sure you are, but I'll ask the question directly.
https://www.calbarxap.com/applications/ ... n_6068.pdf
"...I will faithfully uphold the duties..." See Section A at the top of the link to refresh yourself on those duties, which include upholding the "Constitution and laws of the United States." Or did you have your fingers crossed behind your back?
My heart breaks for children put in rough situations by the adults in their lives. The adults bringing those children to the US border illegally are the ones responsible. The vast majority of them are fully aware of the risks associated with their actions. As to who is using the situation for political gain, we have very different views on that. Witness the faked and mis-attributed photos of "caged" children, for starters. Flock and BiT are right, Congress must do their job.
I suppose if you were in The Netherlands in 1944 you'd have turned in Anne Frank.tlynn78 wrote:Tell me, Bob, did you swear to uphold only those laws with which you agree?Bob78164 wrote:Donny gets no credit from me for deciding not to further exacerbate a situation he created. This was a monstrous policy, its effects will continue to be felt for the indefinite future, and Donny is solely to blame for it.flockofseagulls104 wrote:There are 2 sides to every story.
While I applaud trump for doing an executive order to try and alleviate the situation, the fact is Congress must fix it. We cannot be governed by executive orders (Thanks, Obama). Charles Schumer is an idiot. He refuses to even participate in fixing the situation because it is a great political tool for him. He hates to waste the overblown outrage that has been produced over this situation.
https://twitter.com/megwagner/status/10 ... 7970518018
Agree with her or not, she makes her case. Goddamn it, Congress, do your job.
And as for the thousands of kids who have already been separated from their parents, Donny has made the affirmative decision that they and their parents get no relief, and the separation will continue. So he's not even fixing the problem he created. He's just given up on trying to make it worse than his actions have already made it.
As for Congressional action, every member of the Democratic Senate caucus (this includes the two independents) has signed on as a co-sponsor of the Keep Families Together Act. Not one Republican Senator, though. They're all too afraid of Donny. --Bob
There's that.Estonut wrote:T-Girl, he clearly has an out. He swore that he would "support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of California, and that I will faithfully discharge the duties of an attorney and counselor at law to the best of my knowledge and ability."tlynn78 wrote:Wow.Bob78164 wrote:]I didn't swear to uphold any laws at all. I'm not a prosecutor, and that's not my job. My job is to represent my clients, consistently with the laws (including laws for which I can make a good faith argument for reversal) and the rules of court.
None of which has anything to do with choosing to hurt children.
Are you okay with the actions Donny has taken to hurt children, or aren't you? Based on what you've said here, I'm pretty sure you are, but I'll ask the question directly.
https://www.calbarxap.com/applications/ ... n_6068.pdf
"...I will faithfully uphold the duties..." See Section A at the top of the link to refresh yourself on those duties, which include upholding the "Constitution and laws of the United States." Or did you have your fingers crossed behind your back?
My heart breaks for children put in rough situations by the adults in their lives. The adults bringing those children to the US border illegally are the ones responsible. The vast majority of them are fully aware of the risks associated with their actions. As to who is using the situation for political gain, we have very different views on that. Witness the faked and mis-attributed photos of "caged" children, for starters. Flock and BiT are right, Congress must do their job.
Your suppositions are disgusting. And so are you. You f&$king assholes are so over the top. You take a valid point, a rare issue on which you are in the right, and you immediately elevate it and equate it to mass genocide. Don't you know that is why no one with a rational mind can take you seriously? Don't you know you are being played? If anyone resembles the nazis it's the left and the way they drum up hatred against those who disagree with them. Ask Kirstjen Neilsen.Bob Juch wrote:I suppose if you were in The Netherlands in 1944 you'd have turned in Anne Frank.tlynn78 wrote:Tell me, Bob, did you swear to uphold only those laws with which you agree?Bob78164 wrote:Donny gets no credit from me for deciding not to further exacerbate a situation he created. This was a monstrous policy, its effects will continue to be felt for the indefinite future, and Donny is solely to blame for it.
And as for the thousands of kids who have already been separated from their parents, Donny has made the affirmative decision that they and their parents get no relief, and the separation will continue. So he's not even fixing the problem he created. He's just given up on trying to make it worse than his actions have already made it.
As for Congressional action, every member of the Democratic Senate caucus (this includes the two independents) has signed on as a co-sponsor of the Keep Families Together Act. Not one Republican Senator, though. They're all too afraid of Donny. --Bob
Got it. You're okay with Donny doing this. You're sad for the kids but you won't do anything to stop him.tlynn78 wrote:Wow.Bob78164 wrote:]I didn't swear to uphold any laws at all. I'm not a prosecutor, and that's not my job. My job is to represent my clients, consistently with the laws (including laws for which I can make a good faith argument for reversal) and the rules of court.
None of which has anything to do with choosing to hurt children.
Are you okay with the actions Donny has taken to hurt children, or aren't you? Based on what you've said here, I'm pretty sure you are, but I'll ask the question directly. --Bob
https://www.calbarxap.com/applications/ ... n_6068.pdf
"...I will faithfully uphold the duties..." See Section A at the top of the link to refresh yourself on those duties, which include upholding the "Constitution and laws of the United States." Or did you have your fingers crossed behind your back?
My heart breaks for children put in rough situations by the adults in their lives. The adults bringing those children to the US border illegally are the ones responsible. The vast majority of them are fully aware of the risks associated with their actions. As to who is using the situation for political gain, we have very different views on that. Witness the faked and mis-attributed photos of "caged" children, for starters. Flock and BiT are right, Congress must do their job.
OK, bob-tel. Let's say you somehow are appointed King of these United States. As King, you have all Legislative, Executive and Judicial powers. You now can do 'everything in your power'.Bob78164 wrote:Got it. You're okay with Donny doing this. You're sad for the kids but you won't do anything to stop him.tlynn78 wrote:Wow.Bob78164 wrote:]I didn't swear to uphold any laws at all. I'm not a prosecutor, and that's not my job. My job is to represent my clients, consistently with the laws (including laws for which I can make a good faith argument for reversal) and the rules of court.
None of which has anything to do with choosing to hurt children.
Are you okay with the actions Donny has taken to hurt children, or aren't you? Based on what you've said here, I'm pretty sure you are, but I'll ask the question directly. --Bob
https://www.calbarxap.com/applications/ ... n_6068.pdf
"...I will faithfully uphold the duties..." See Section A at the top of the link to refresh yourself on those duties, which include upholding the "Constitution and laws of the United States." Or did you have your fingers crossed behind your back?
My heart breaks for children put in rough situations by the adults in their lives. The adults bringing those children to the US border illegally are the ones responsible. The vast majority of them are fully aware of the risks associated with their actions. As to who is using the situation for political gain, we have very different views on that. Witness the faked and mis-attributed photos of "caged" children, for starters. Flock and BiT are right, Congress must do their job.
I spent a few years living in Alabama in the 1960s. I was still too young to face this decision when we left, but I'd really like to think that if I'd stayed down there, I'd have done everything in my power to smash Jim Crow. Including breaking Jim Crow laws.
I live within walking distance of the Museum of Tolerance, and when I was younger I read everything I could get my hands on about World War II. Never again means something to me.
Donny didn't need to tear kids from their families. Enforcing this law in this way isn't remotely close to worth the damage we're doing to these kids. It's a choice. And as far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't raise their voice in opposition to Donny's choice is complicit. Anyone who thinks less of me for that is not someone whose opinion I care about. --Bob
Then why is it that, in poll after poll, on issue after issue, significantly more people support Democratic positions than Republican ones?flockofseagulls104 wrote: Don't you know that is why no one with a rational mind can take you seriously?
You have truly gone around the bend.Bob78164 wrote:Got it. You're okay with Donny doing this. You're sad for the kids but you won't do anything to stop him.tlynn78 wrote:Wow.Bob78164 wrote:]I didn't swear to uphold any laws at all. I'm not a prosecutor, and that's not my job. My job is to represent my clients, consistently with the laws (including laws for which I can make a good faith argument for reversal) and the rules of court.
None of which has anything to do with choosing to hurt children.
Are you okay with the actions Donny has taken to hurt children, or aren't you? Based on what you've said here, I'm pretty sure you are, but I'll ask the question directly. --Bob
https://www.calbarxap.com/applications/ ... n_6068.pdf
"...I will faithfully uphold the duties..." See Section A at the top of the link to refresh yourself on those duties, which include upholding the "Constitution and laws of the United States." Or did you have your fingers crossed behind your back?
My heart breaks for children put in rough situations by the adults in their lives. The adults bringing those children to the US border illegally are the ones responsible. The vast majority of them are fully aware of the risks associated with their actions. As to who is using the situation for political gain, we have very different views on that. Witness the faked and mis-attributed photos of "caged" children, for starters. Flock and BiT are right, Congress must do their job.
I spent a few years living in Alabama in the 1960s. I was still too young to face this decision when we left, but I'd really like to think that if I'd stayed down there, I'd have done everything in my power to smash Jim Crow. Including breaking Jim Crow laws.
I live within walking distance of the Museum of Tolerance, and when I was younger I read everything I could get my hands on about World War II. Never again means something to me.
Donny didn't need to tear kids from their families. Enforcing this law in this way isn't remotely close to worth the damage we're doing to these kids. It's a choice. And as far as I'm concerned, anyone who doesn't raise their voice in opposition to Donny's choice is complicit. Anyone who thinks less of me for that is not someone whose opinion I care about. --Bob
Illegal immigration is only a problem because we're racist? Tell that to the European countries who did virtually nothing to stem the tide when they still could, and are utterly floundering under the burden of illegal, undocumented, un-integrated immigrants. You are laughable. Or you just want to allow unfettered immigration, and "let nature take it's course."silverscreenselect wrote:Then why is it that, in poll after poll, on issue after issue, significantly more people support Democratic positions than Republican ones?flockofseagulls104 wrote: Don't you know that is why no one with a rational mind can take you seriously?
Here's a summary (published in April, before the recent events which will probably significantly skew new polls):
https://immigrationforum.org/article/po ... mmigrants/
The people who are out of step are those like you, Flock.
As far as your question about what to do about illegal immigration, I've never seen anyone come up with valid factually based problems why illegal immigration is a major problem, and, if so, why we should be concentrating on a decreasing number of border crossings instead of people overstaying visas and permits, which are the main source of undocumented immigrants. The answer either falls back on inaccurate and often racially based claims about crime (such as how immigrants are or will become members of MS-13) or the flat answer, "it's illegal." Well, so are many things, including jaywalking, running stop signs (as I discovered recently when my rolling stop got ticketed), and shoplifting. The question should be what our national priorities are in terms of law enforcement and by any rational discussion of the subject, illegal immigration is rather low on the list.
That's a rich fantasy life you've got there, Bob. They don't <yet> hand out participation trophies for what you like to think you might have done. Try living in a third world country. You know, there are things you could do now, if you're really invested in ousting our President. You could quit your job and draw unemployment, thus impacting the current positive unemployment trend. You can send your tax savings to Planned Parenthood to help literally rip those babies from their mothers. You could drive down to the border and invite say, ten or so illegal aliens to share your son's bedroom. I don't think you're really committed to this 'get rid of Donny' plan of yours.I spent a few years living in Alabama in the 1960s. I was still too young to face this decision when we left, but I'd really like to think that if I'd stayed down there, I'd have done everything in my power to smash Jim Crow. Including breaking Jim Crow laws.
You are comparing apples to oranges. I'm going by years of crime statistics here in this country. I'm not sure what evidence you have of what goes on in foreign countries.tlynn78 wrote: Tell that to the European countries who did virtually nothing to stem the tide when they still could, and are utterly floundering under the burden of illegal, undocumented, un-integrated immigrants. You are laughable.
Only a fool tries to please everybody. I'm pretty much fine with the way things were in the past, except that we need to do something for the DACA kids. It's in our best interests to give them citizenship so that we keep the benefits of their enterprise and energy instead of chasing those benefits away to some other country.flockofseagulls104 wrote:OK, bob-tel. Let's say you somehow are appointed King of these United States. As King, you have all Legislative, Executive and Judicial powers. You now can do 'everything in your power'.
What is your solution to Illegal Immigration? Be specific. Remember, you may be King, but there is opposition, so you must try and please everybody.