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BackInTex wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:And no, we do not stand when judges enter the courtroom. We stand for juries to honor their service.

Really? Because the courts I've been in (Texas and Kansas), even as a jury member, we are seated, then instructed by the bailiff "all rise" as the judge enters the courtroom. Is the protocol different in California? Even in federal courts?

silverscreenselect wrote:Here's an unfiltered opinion of crowd behavior at several NFL games after the original Trump pronouncement on the issue.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/01/spor ... otest.html

Estonut wrote: He certainly did not attend the others on which he reported. This account if filtered by what he may have seen on TV and, a second time, by his own account of those telecasts and what he was looking for at the game he may have attended in person.

Reporting was contributed by Ben Shpigel from East Rutherford, N.J.; Bill Pennington from Foxborough, Mass.; Ken Belson from Las Vegas; Ben Rothenberg from Baltimore; and Lisa Maria Garza from Arlington, Tex.

Bob78164 wrote:

BackInTex wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:And no, we do not stand when judges enter the courtroom. We stand for juries to honor their service.

Really? Because the courts I've been in (Texas and Kansas), even as a jury member, we are seated, then instructed by the bailiff "all rise" as the judge enters the courtroom. Is the protocol different in California? Even in federal courts?

The protocol is different in California. Many judges here don't even have attorneys stand while they're addressing the court. Jurors never enter the courtroom here until everyone else is in place. --Bob

tlynn78 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:

BackInTex wrote:
Really? Because the courts I've been in (Texas and Kansas), even as a jury member, we are seated, then instructed by the bailiff "all rise" as the judge enters the courtroom. Is the protocol different in California? Even in federal courts?

The protocol is different in California. Many judges here don't even have attorneys stand while they're addressing the court. Jurors never enter the courtroom here until everyone else is in place. --Bob

Everyone stands for the judges here. If an attorney fails to stand (without leave of the Court) when addressing the Court, he or she would most certainly be reprimanded.

silverscreenselect wrote:And for that matter, your account may well be filtered by what you happen to remember about the games you attended.

Estonut wrote:

silverscreenselect wrote:And for that matter, your account may well be filtered by what you happen to remember about the games you attended.

It could be, but I'm not sure how. I remember with certainty what I was asked to do, what I have heard and what I have seen. The most unfiltered information one can possibly receive is what one experiences in person.

All memory, as McGaugh explained, is colored with bits of life experiences. When people recall, “they are reconstructing,” he said. “It doesn't mean it’s totally false. It means that they’re telling a story about themselves and they’re integrating things they really do remember in detail, with things that are generally true.”

Twenty people with [documented photographic] memory were shown slideshows featuring a man stealing a wallet from a woman while pretending to help her, and then a man breaking into a car with a credit card and stealing $1 bills and necklaces. Later, they read two narratives about those slideshows containing misinformation. When later asked about the events, the superior memory subjects indicated the erroneous facts as truth at about the same rate as people with normal memory.

In another test, subjects were told there was news footage of the plane crash of United 93 in Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001, even though no actual footage exists. When asked whether they remembered having seen the footage before, 20 percent of subjects with Highly Superior Autobiographical Memory indicated they had, compared to 29 percent of people with regular memory.

“Even though this study is about people with superior memory, this study should really make people stop and think about their own memory,” Patihis said. “Gone are the days when people thought that [only] maybe 20, 30 or 40 percent of people are vulnerable to memory distortions.”

silverscreenselect wrote:

Estonut wrote:

silverscreenselect wrote:And for that matter, your account may well be filtered by what you happen to remember about the games you attended.

It could be, but I'm not sure how. I remember with certainty what I was asked to do, what I have heard and what I have seen. The most unfiltered information one can possibly receive is what one experiences in person.

How Many of Your Memories Are Fake?

All memory, as McGaugh explained, is colored with bits of life experiences. When people recall, “they are reconstructing,” he said. “It doesn't mean it’s totally false. It means that they’re telling a story about themselves and they’re integrating things they really do remember in detail, with things that are generally true.”

Twenty people with [documented photographic] memory were shown slideshows featuring a man stealing a wallet from a woman while pretending to help her, and then a man breaking into a car with a credit card and stealing $1 bills and necklaces. Later, they read two narratives about those slideshows containing misinformation. When later asked about the events, the superior memory subjects indicated the erroneous facts as truth at about the same rate as people with normal memory.

In another test, subjects were told there was news footage of the plane crash of United 93 in Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001, even though no actual footage exists. When asked whether they remembered having seen the footage before, 20 percent of subjects with Highly Superior Autobiographical Memory indicated they had, compared to 29 percent of people with regular memory.

“Even though this study is about people with superior memory, this study should really make people stop and think about their own memory,” Patihis said. “Gone are the days when people thought that [only] maybe 20, 30 or 40 percent of people are vulnerable to memory distortions.”

Estonut wrote: There is absolutely no way I could witness (along with the rest of the crowd) the HUGE flag being "wadded up" and disrespectfully "tossed aside" in order to start the game and NOT remember it.

The sports world’s trend toward big productions often overwhelms out the nobility and solemnity of the anthem. For example, the code also says that the flag “should never be carried flat or horizontally.” The code does not specify if it is appropriate for a flag 100 yards long to be held parallel to the ground, or shaken by the people holding it when the anthem gets to lyric “that star-spangled banner yet wave,” and then wadded up hastily to make way for a game about to start.

silverscreenselect wrote:

Estonut wrote: There is absolutely no way I could witness (along with the rest of the crowd) the HUGE flag being "wadded up" and disrespectfully "tossed aside" in order to start the game and NOT remember it.

The sports world’s trend toward big productions often overwhelms out the nobility and solemnity of the anthem. For example, the code also says that the flag “should never be carried flat or horizontally.” The code does not specify if it is appropriate for a flag 100 yards long to be held parallel to the ground, or shaken by the people holding it when the anthem gets to lyric “that star-spangled banner yet wave,” and then wadded up hastily to make way for a game about to start.

Well, apparently, from the time you read this article until the time wrote this post, you misremembered the wording of the article and added the words "tossed aside" in connection with the comment about the wadded-up giant flag.

silverscreenselect wrote:

Estonut wrote: There is absolutely no way I could witness (along with the rest of the crowd) the HUGE flag being "wadded up" and disrespectfully "tossed aside" in order to start the game and NOT remember it.

The sports world’s trend toward big productions often overwhelms out the nobility and solemnity of the anthem. For example, the code also says that the flag “should never be carried flat or horizontally.” The code does not specify if it is appropriate for a flag 100 yards long to be held parallel to the ground, or shaken by the people holding it when the anthem gets to lyric “that star-spangled banner yet wave,” and then wadded up hastily to make way for a game about to start.

Well, apparently, from the time you read this article until the time wrote this post, you couldn't remember that the words "tossed aside" don't appear in connection with the comment about the wadded-up giant flag.

Estonut wrote: That was my interpretation of the statement.

In Kansas City, fans have changed the end of “The Star-Spangled Banner” to say “home of the Chiefs” rather than “home of the brave.” It’s become so common that you’ll hear it at Kauffman Stadium before Royals games, and elsewhere. Kansas coach Bill Self spoke out in 2012 about the student section singing “Chiefs” at Allen Fieldhouse. I don’t think it’s anything we should be proud about as students to carry that on, because I don’t see the place for it when you are honoring your country,” Self said.

For the most part, fans in Kansas City don’t seem concerned that the language of the national anthem is being changed. Baltimore fans have a tradition of yelling out “O!” near the end of the national anthem as a way of showing support for the Orioles. It comes here: “O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,"

In Chicago, fans do even more screaming during the national anthem at Blackhawks games. The noise gets louder as the song continues. NBC Sports said the practice began in the mid-80s. This has been a commonly accepted custom.

BackInTex wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:The protocol is different in California. Many judges here don't even have attorneys stand while they're addressing the court. Jurors never enter the courtroom here until everyone else is in place. --Bob

Everyone stands for the judges here. If an attorney fails to stand (without leave of the Court) when addressing the Court, he or she would most certainly be reprimanded.

Says a lot for California.

tlynn78 wrote:

BackInTex wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:
Everyone stands for the judges here. If an attorney fails to stand (without leave of the Court) when addressing the Court, he or she would most certainly be reprimanded.

Says a lot for California.

Or at least some of their Bar members.

Bob78164 wrote:

tlynn78 wrote:

BackInTex wrote:
Says a lot for California.

Or at least some of their Bar members.

Let me be clear about this. The clerk usually begins court by saying, "Remain seated and come to order." And I've had judges expressly instruct attorneys to remain seated when addressing the court. So what's the basis for your cheap and unfounded shot at me? --Bob

silverscreenselect wrote:As for your comments about substituting language in the singing of the national anthem:

Estonut wrote:

silverscreenselect wrote:As for your comments about substituting language in the singing of the national anthem:

I prefaced my original 3 comments with, "His experience does not match my own in several ways."

I wanted to point out that the things described in your article were certainly not universal, as you think everything is.

Aren't you watching through the lens of a TV station? Try going to a game sometime to get an unfiltered opinion of the crowd's behavior. Oh, never mind, they don't issue discount coupons for ballgames, do they?

Vandal wrote:

jarnon wrote:

Vandal wrote:

Nobody kneeled at Eagles games. Some players plan to do community service in D.C. tomorrow. But that's not good enough for Trump's big ego.

Gov. Wolf honored the Eagles' victory yesterday. He knows that NFL fans vote.