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Beebs52 wrote:So, since this doesn't qualify as racist, we're good with it? Or do you think she'll suffer fallout?

Washington Post wrote:Anyone wondering how Bee could have been so dumb need only track down the video. (As of now, it has been removed from Facebook and YouTube.) When she levels the profanity, cheers go up from the audience, from people who would flip out if any cable host deployed the same word against a Democrat. “Full Frontal” is a must-view program for the resistance to President Trump — and Bee appears to know how to please her fans. There’s a similar dynamic on view on Twitter on Thursday afternoon: Note how many people are doubling down on Bee’s initial use of “c—“, clearly disappointed by her apology. It’s like watching the country lose its decency in real time.

Sally Field wrote:I like Samantha Bee a lot, but she is flat wrong to call Ivanka a c*nt. C*nts are powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest.

Ritterskoop wrote:I had said Wednesday that if Roseanne Barr had made her comment within the framing device of a comedy show, it might have been less horrible (in the sense that we expect a certain amount of personal expression in the context of art).

So then that night, Samantha Bee fulfills that angle. I want to think that comparing someone to an ape is different from comparing someone to a body part, but since both were intended as demeaning, they are not so different. But that fact that it WAS in the context of a comedy situation does make it a little different for me. Still pretty gross.

I am curious when they taped the Bee show, and how long they had to decide whether to include that segment (especially after the Roseanne thing). I get that it's not a publicly-available broadcast channel, and you have to pay something for TBS, but I don't really expect that line of vulgarity to be crossed until we get into the HBOs and Showtimes.

It's too bad that the use of this word to insult women is vulgar, and the similar insult of calling a man a "dick" is somehow not (I heard it on a CBS comedy a week ago). It would be nice if we could insult each other without needing to use body parts, or if we could just stick to the universal "asshole," which, as far as I know, most people still have one regardless of other anatomy.

Chelsea Clinton wrote:It’s grossly inappropriate and just flat-out wrong to describe or talk about @IvankaTrump or any woman that way.

Ritterskoop wrote:I had said Wednesday that if Roseanne Barr had made her comment within the framing device of a comedy show, it might have been less horrible (in the sense that we expect a certain amount of personal expression in the context of art).

So then that night, Samantha Bee fulfills that angle. I want to think that comparing someone to an ape is different from comparing someone to a body part, but since both were intended as demeaning, they are not so different. But that fact that it WAS in the context of a comedy situation does make it a little different for me. Still pretty gross.

I am curious when they taped the Bee show, and how long they had to decide whether to include that segment (especially after the Roseanne thing). I get that it's not a publicly-available broadcast channel, and you have to pay something for TBS, but I don't really expect that line of vulgarity to be crossed until we get into the HBOs and Showtimes.

It's too bad that the use of this word to insult women is vulgar, and the similar insult of calling a man a "dick" is somehow not (I heard it on a CBS comedy a week ago). It would be nice if we could insult each other without needing to use body parts, or if we could just stick to the universal "asshole," which, as far as I know, most people still have one regardless of other anatomy.

Bob78164 wrote:

Ritterskoop wrote:I had said Wednesday that if Roseanne Barr had made her comment within the framing device of a comedy show, it might have been less horrible (in the sense that we expect a certain amount of personal expression in the context of art).

So then that night, Samantha Bee fulfills that angle. I want to think that comparing someone to an ape is different from comparing someone to a body part, but since both were intended as demeaning, they are not so different. But that fact that it WAS in the context of a comedy situation does make it a little different for me. Still pretty gross.

I am curious when they taped the Bee show, and how long they had to decide whether to include that segment (especially after the Roseanne thing). I get that it's not a publicly-available broadcast channel, and you have to pay something for TBS, but I don't really expect that line of vulgarity to be crossed until we get into the HBOs and Showtimes.

It's too bad that the use of this word to insult women is vulgar, and the similar insult of calling a man a "dick" is somehow not (I heard it on a CBS comedy a week ago). It would be nice if we could insult each other without needing to use body parts, or if we could just stick to the universal "asshole," which, as far as I know, most people still have one regardless of other anatomy.

The show is taped in the afternoon and broadcast at 10:30 Eastern Time. They had a few hours to make the decision. The vulgarity was bleeped in broadcast but not when it was put on the Internet.

I agree that the use of the vulgarity was inappropriate because that's a line the target has (as far as I know) never crossed. Lots of room for legitimate criticism of Ivanka Trump, but I agree that what Bee said deserved to be rebuked.

I'm not at all sure I'd have felt the same way if she'd used the word to, say, criticize Roseanne for her tweet. --Bob

Beebs52 wrote:

Bob78164 wrote:

Ritterskoop wrote:I had said Wednesday that if Roseanne Barr had made her comment within the framing device of a comedy show, it might have been less horrible (in the sense that we expect a certain amount of personal expression in the context of art).

So then that night, Samantha Bee fulfills that angle. I want to think that comparing someone to an ape is different from comparing someone to a body part, but since both were intended as demeaning, they are not so different. But that fact that it WAS in the context of a comedy situation does make it a little different for me. Still pretty gross.

I am curious when they taped the Bee show, and how long they had to decide whether to include that segment (especially after the Roseanne thing). I get that it's not a publicly-available broadcast channel, and you have to pay something for TBS, but I don't really expect that line of vulgarity to be crossed until we get into the HBOs and Showtimes.

It's too bad that the use of this word to insult women is vulgar, and the similar insult of calling a man a "dick" is somehow not (I heard it on a CBS comedy a week ago). It would be nice if we could insult each other without needing to use body parts, or if we could just stick to the universal "asshole," which, as far as I know, most people still have one regardless of other anatomy.

The show is taped in the afternoon and broadcast at 10:30 Eastern Time. They had a few hours to make the decision. The vulgarity was bleeped in broadcast but not when it was put on the Internet.

I agree that the use of the vulgarity was inappropriate because that's a line the target has (as far as I know) never crossed. Lots of room for legitimate criticism of Ivanka Trump, but I agree that what Bee said deserved to be rebuked.

I'm not at all sure I'd have felt the same way if she'd used the word to, say, criticize Roseanne for her tweet. --Bob

See, that is interesting. I can see horking out crud to someone who attacked me or mine, not someone who spewed crud against a random 3rd party, which is what both lovely ladies did.

Beebs52 wrote:Wait. Why is framing it in a comedy show better than twitter?

Bob Juch wrote:

Sally Field wrote:I like Samantha Bee a lot, but she is flat wrong to call Ivanka a c*nt. C*nts are powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest.

Beebs52 wrote:So, since this doesn't qualify as racist, we're good with it? Or do you think she'll suffer fallout?