End Catch and Release NOW!

The forum for general posting. Come join the madness. :)
Post Reply
Message
Author
User avatar
frogman042
Bored Pun-dit
Posts: 3200
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:36 am

End Catch and Release NOW!

#1 Post by frogman042 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:18 pm

I can't believe the government allows people who violate the law to receive just a piece of paper and let them go with the promise that they will show up on a court date - when it is clear many do not. They are responsible for over 37,000 deaths in 2016 alone (http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/gener ... e-overview), they are murders and rapists, although some might be good people. When stopped, they should not be released and if there are any minors with them, the minors should be immediately be removed from their parent(s) and placed in a detention center. They knew they were breaking the law and they didn't care. They knew the risk they were taking and especially having a minor with them when they were committing their crime and should face the consequences for breaking the law. It has to stop now!

Of course I'm talking about anyone caught speeding in their car.

Clearly they are a greater threat to America then folks that are so desperate that they are willing to risk everything for the possibility of being granted the privilege of contributing to the American Dream.

How anyone can make excuses for what is happening, IMO, is beyond comprehension.

User avatar
flockofseagulls104
Posts: 7742
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:07 pm
Location: Atlanta, GA

Re: End Catch and Release NOW!

#2 Post by flockofseagulls104 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:41 am

... folks that are so desperate that they are willing to risk everything for the possibility of being granted the privilege of contributing to the American Dream.
Since we are dabbling in emotional arguments, I propose that people who rob banks because they are so desperately poor that they need the money to feed and clothe their innocent children be given a ticket and required to show up in court (or not).

I think these people express my viewpoint very well:

https://youtu.be/lvRZdNoHEf8

https://youtu.be/Hy8UwpenlEA

https://youtu.be/l01_2tvtQcE

https://youtu.be/AlFi0QUboxs

https://youtu.be/MdAyn89hFIo

https://youtu.be/IT-5M16NcYY

If you are so inclined to actually do some thinking for yourself, ponder why all of these people have so radically changed their positions, and why the MSM has not once pointed that out to you.

If you come up with an answer through independent thinking, without checking on the internet for any approved response that might be out there, please share it with us.
Your friendly neighborhood racist. On the waiting list to be a nazi. Designated an honorary 'snowflake'. Trolled by the very best, as well as by BJ. Always typical, unlike others.., Fulminator, Hopelessly in the tank for trump... inappropriate... Flocking himself... Probably a tucking sexist, too... All thought comes from the right wing noise machine(TM)... A clear and present threat to The Future Of Our Democracy.. Doesn't understand anything... Made the trump apologist and enabler playoffs... Heathen bastard... Knows nothing about history... Liar.... don't know much about statistics and polling... Nothing at all about biology... Ignorant Bigot... Potential Future Pariah... Big Nerd... Spiraling, Anti-Trans Bigot.. A Lunatic AND a Bigot.. Very Ignorant of the World in General... Sounds deranged... Fake Christian... Weird... has the mind of a child... has paranoid delusions... Simpleton

User avatar
frogman042
Bored Pun-dit
Posts: 3200
Joined: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:36 am

Re: End Catch and Release NOW!

#3 Post by frogman042 » Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:23 pm

First, I posted this because I did independently think of it and had not heard this point expressed in the current debate. Also, no where in my post did I say that I advocated for open borders or abolishment of immigration laws. My point was against the often heard argument that since these people broke the law then they deserve whatever happens to them and their children. For those advocating that position, why don't they take the same stance against other illegal acts that I'm sure they themselves routinely commit (such as exceeding the speed limit - or is that not illegal?). Make the case that those trying to come to this country to make a better life is equivalent to robbing banks, and that they pose the same risks as those that do. I think a case can be made that those who speed pose a greater risk (in the aggregate) then the families that are being forcibly separated.

The punishment that is being imposed on these families is so far beyond what their 'crime' is that i can't believe you are OK with it and feel comfortable defending it. Should the Swiss have separated the Von Trapp family when they broke the law when they snuck in illegally, and would you support the idea that the Captain and Maria should have been sent back to Austria? WWII hadn't started at that point in time - explain how their situation is different then what is currently happening to many families fleeing from Central America? How many families are fleeing to the U.S. because they fear death in their own country and you think the proper response to that it to separate them from their kids and send them back - because they are just as bad as bank robbers?

IMO, I do believe that the U.S. would be better off in so many different ways by coming up with a way to let a good portion of them the ability join our society, so it is not an emotional argument but a pragmatic one - beyond that though, I think the moral argument is even more overwhelming.

Post Reply