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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:16 pm 
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.. to convince people to embrace your cause than to make them wait hours in a traffic jam. I know I would heartily endorse anything that made me sit in my car at least an hour without being able to move. Wouldn't you?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/07/us/chicago-gun-violence-protest/index.html


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flockofseagulls104 wrote:
.. to convince people to embrace your cause than to make them wait hours in a traffic jam. I know I would heartily endorse anything that made me sit in my car at least an hour without being able to move. Wouldn't you?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/07/us/chicago-gun-violence-protest/index.html


I'd rather be sitting in my car for an hour unable to move than riding in an ambulance for an hour with a bullet in my gut unable to move.

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.. to convince people to embrace your cause than to make them wait hours in a traffic jam. I know I would heartily endorse anything that made me sit in my car at least an hour without being able to move. Wouldn't you?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/07/us/chicago-gun-violence-protest/index.html


I'd rather be sitting in my car for an hour unable to move than riding in an ambulance for an hour with a bullet in my gut unable to move.

So would I but what the hell does that have to do with anything? How does ruining the day for hundreds of people help any cause?

You know, you should work in monte python's argument clinic. You disagree just for the sake of disagreeing.


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The local (Gulfport, MS) NAACP held an event this past Sunday to begin reclaiming a local park by having positive events take place there and get more law-abiding citizens there to help push out the lawless drug dealers that have been inhabiting the park previously. It was well attended by both black and white citizens. Our daily paper has a citizens forum each day and the first comment in today's edition praised everyone involved and pointed out how much more effective and productive activities like this are instead of some protest blocking highways or other areas of private enterprise such as malls or downtown areas of cities.

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The local (Gulfport, MS) NAACP held an event this past Sunday to begin reclaiming a local park by having positive events take place there and get more law-abiding citizens there to help push out the lawless drug dealers that have been inhabiting the park previously. It was well attended by both black and white citizens. Our daily paper has a citizens forum each day and the first comment in today's edition praised everyone involved and pointed out how much more effective and productive activities like this are instead of some protest blocking highways or other areas of private enterprise such as malls or downtown areas of cities.
Peaceful and positive action is effective when most of the community supports your goals and there's no organized opposition. But I lived in Alabama in the 1960s. You'll have a hard time convincing me that blacks would have obtained the voting rights they're entitled to without being confrontational and disruptive about it.

Given the entrenched interests in place with respect to guns, I don't think quiet and respectful has a snowball's chance of working. If the country is willing to tolerate kids getting shot, time and time again, something pretty drastic is necessary to get the nation's attention. The goal of direct action isn't to change people's minds -- that rarely happens. Action of this sort is intended to get formerly neutral people off the sidelines. --Bob

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lilclyde54 wrote:
The local (Gulfport, MS) NAACP held an event this past Sunday to begin reclaiming a local park by having positive events take place there and get more law-abiding citizens there to help push out the lawless drug dealers that have been inhabiting the park previously. It was well attended by both black and white citizens. Our daily paper has a citizens forum each day and the first comment in today's edition praised everyone involved and pointed out how much more effective and productive activities like this are instead of some protest blocking highways or other areas of private enterprise such as malls or downtown areas of cities.
Peaceful and positive action is effective when most of the community supports your goals and there's no organized opposition. But I lived in Alabama in the 1960s. You'll have a hard time convincing me that blacks would have obtained the voting rights they're entitled to without being confrontational and disruptive about it.

Given the entrenched interests in place with respect to guns, I don't think quiet and respectful has a snowball's chance of working. If the country is willing to tolerate kids getting shot, time and time again, something pretty drastic is necessary to get the nation's attention. The goal of direct action isn't to change people's minds -- that rarely happens. Action of this sort is intended to get formerly neutral people off the sidelines. --Bob


Yeah, this works. :roll: In your twilight zone world.


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lilclyde54 wrote:
The local (Gulfport, MS) NAACP held an event this past Sunday to begin reclaiming a local park by having positive events take place there and get more law-abiding citizens there to help push out the lawless drug dealers that have been inhabiting the park previously. It was well attended by both black and white citizens. Our daily paper has a citizens forum each day and the first comment in today's edition praised everyone involved and pointed out how much more effective and productive activities like this are instead of some protest blocking highways or other areas of private enterprise such as malls or downtown areas of cities.
Peaceful and positive action is effective when most of the community supports your goals and there's no organized opposition. But I lived in Alabama in the 1960s. You'll have a hard time convincing me that blacks would have obtained the voting rights they're entitled to without being confrontational and disruptive about it.

Given the entrenched interests in place with respect to guns, I don't think quiet and respectful has a snowball's chance of working. If the country is willing to tolerate kids getting shot, time and time again, something pretty drastic is necessary to get the nation's attention. The goal of direct action isn't to change people's minds -- that rarely happens. Action of this sort is intended to get formerly neutral people off the sidelines. --Bob


Are you seriously comparing constitutional, legal gun ownership with the evils the Civil Rights Movement dealt with? You are lost.

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Bob78164 wrote:
lilclyde54 wrote:
The local (Gulfport, MS) NAACP held an event this past Sunday to begin reclaiming a local park by having positive events take place there and get more law-abiding citizens there to help push out the lawless drug dealers that have been inhabiting the park previously. It was well attended by both black and white citizens. Our daily paper has a citizens forum each day and the first comment in today's edition praised everyone involved and pointed out how much more effective and productive activities like this are instead of some protest blocking highways or other areas of private enterprise such as malls or downtown areas of cities.
Peaceful and positive action is effective when most of the community supports your goals and there's no organized opposition. But I lived in Alabama in the 1960s. You'll have a hard time convincing me that blacks would have obtained the voting rights they're entitled to without being confrontational and disruptive about it.

Given the entrenched interests in place with respect to guns, I don't think quiet and respectful has a snowball's chance of working. If the country is willing to tolerate kids getting shot, time and time again, something pretty drastic is necessary to get the nation's attention. The goal of direct action isn't to change people's minds -- that rarely happens. Action of this sort is intended to get formerly neutral people off the sidelines. --Bob


Are you seriously comparing constitutional, legal gun ownership with the evils the Civil Rights Movement dealt with? You are lost.

The evils the Civil Rights Movement dealt with were also considered constitutional and legal.

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Peaceful and positive action is effective when most of the community supports your goals and there's no organized opposition. But I lived in Alabama in the 1960s. You'll have a hard time convincing me that blacks would have obtained the voting rights they're entitled to without being confrontational and disruptive about it.

Given the entrenched interests in place with respect to guns, I don't think quiet and respectful has a snowball's chance of working. If the country is willing to tolerate kids getting shot, time and time again, something pretty drastic is necessary to get the nation's attention. The goal of direct action isn't to change people's minds -- that rarely happens. Action of this sort is intended to get formerly neutral people off the sidelines. --Bob


Are you seriously comparing constitutional, legal gun ownership with the evils the Civil Rights Movement dealt with? You are lost.

The evils the Civil Rights Movement dealt with were also considered constitutional and legal.


That may be the single most idiotic thing you've posted, and there's a lot of material.

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Are you seriously comparing constitutional, legal gun ownership with the evils the Civil Rights Movement dealt with? You are lost.

The evils the Civil Rights Movement dealt with were also considered constitutional and legal.


That may be the single most idiotic thing you've posted, and there's a lot of material.


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lilclyde54 wrote:
The local (Gulfport, MS) NAACP held an event this past Sunday to begin reclaiming a local park by having positive events take place there and get more law-abiding citizens there to help push out the lawless drug dealers that have been inhabiting the park previously. It was well attended by both black and white citizens. Our daily paper has a citizens forum each day and the first comment in today's edition praised everyone involved and pointed out how much more effective and productive activities like this are instead of some protest blocking highways or other areas of private enterprise such as malls or downtown areas of cities.
Peaceful and positive action is effective when most of the community supports your goals and there's no organized opposition. But I lived in Alabama in the 1960s. You'll have a hard time convincing me that blacks would have obtained the voting rights they're entitled to without being confrontational and disruptive about it.

Given the entrenched interests in place with respect to guns, I don't think quiet and respectful has a snowball's chance of working. If the country is willing to tolerate kids getting shot, time and time again, something pretty drastic is necessary to get the nation's attention. The goal of direct action isn't to change people's minds -- that rarely happens. Action of this sort is intended to get formerly neutral people off the sidelines. --Bob


Are you seriously comparing constitutional, legal gun ownership with the evils the Civil Rights Movement dealt with? You are lost.
The Vietnam War was also constitutional and legal, but polite and courteous debate wasn't preventing kids only a little older than I was from being sent there and killed.

Your vision of gun ownership is getting a lot of people killed. It shouldn't surprise you that those most at risk are willing to make noise about that. --Bob

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tlynn78 wrote:
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Are you seriously comparing constitutional, legal gun ownership with the evils the Civil Rights Movement dealt with? You are lost.

The evils the Civil Rights Movement dealt with were also considered constitutional and legal.


That may be the single most idiotic thing you've posted, and there's a lot of material.

So you're saying Jim Crow was unconstitutional and illegal?

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