Giuliani is admitting trump colluded with Russia
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Giuliani is admitting trump colluded with Russia
He's no longer claiming trump didn't collude with Russia; he's claiming "collusion is not a crime."
He's not saying trump didn't know about the 2016 Russia meeting in trump Tower in advance; he's saying trump didn't attend it.
He's not saying trump didn't know about the 2016 Russia meeting in trump Tower in advance; he's saying trump didn't attend it.
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Giuliani now says that he and others on Trump's team are preparing their own report to counter Mueller's findings.Bob Juch wrote:He's no longer claiming trump didn't collude with Russia; he's claiming "collusion is not a crime."
He's not saying trump didn't know about the 2016 Russia meeting in trump Tower in advance; he's saying trump didn't attend it.
I'm expecting to see this report about the same time as I see the report on O.J's investigation into Nicole's real killer.
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silverscreenselect wrote:Giuliani now says that he and others on Trump's team are preparing their own report to counter Mueller's findings.Bob Juch wrote:He's no longer claiming trump didn't collude with Russia; he's claiming "collusion is not a crime."
He's not saying trump didn't know about the 2016 Russia meeting in trump Tower in advance; he's saying trump didn't attend it.
I'm expecting to see this report about the same time as I see the report on O.J's investigation into Nicole's real killer.
USA Today wrote:Giuliani told USA TODAY that he believed Mueller's team is "writing the report as we speak."
Giuliani's own team is preparing its "counter-report," which he said will be released after his team has a chance to review whatever Mueller files with the Justice Department. But it's unclear whether the special counsel will file anything with DOJ.
Mueller's office declined to comment on Giuliani's comments.
Giuliani said he has no firsthand knowledge of Mueller's plans, but that he expects the special counsel to file something by Sept. 1, two months ahead of the midterm elections.
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Re: Giuliani is admitting trump colluded with Russia
Bob Juch, you are a f**king idiot/asshole/liar.
Giuliani admitted no such thing. He said no such thing. He wrote no such thing.
Giuliani admitted no such thing. He said no such thing. He wrote no such thing.
Saying something is not a crime does not equate to saying someone did it. I know you know that, asshole.You can investigate an innocent person forever and forever and find nothing. When do we say enough is enough. No collusion, no obstruction. President Trump did nothing wrong," Giuliani wrote in response.
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He's saying trump did nothing wrong because collusion is not a crime.BackInTex wrote:Bob Juch, you are a f**king idiot/asshole/liar.
Giuliani admitted no such thing. He said no such thing. He wrote no such thing.
Saying something is not a crime does not equate to saying someone did it. I know you know that, asshole.You can investigate an innocent person forever and forever and find nothing. When do we say enough is enough. No collusion, no obstruction. President Trump did nothing wrong," Giuliani wrote in response.
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This much is clear. Giuliani admitted on national television that the campaign took the Russian lawyer's promises seriously enough that several members of the campaign held a "pre-meeting" (my phrase, not Giuliani's) to prepare for the meeting a couple of days in advance. And we still don't know who was on the other end of Junior's call to the blocked number. --Bob
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BackInTex wrote: Giuliani admitted no such thing. He said no such thing. He wrote no such thing.
President Donald Trump's attorney, Rudolph Giuliani, asserted Monday that "collusion is not a crime," and declared that the president is "absolutely innocent." "I have been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime," Giuliani said in an interview on Fox News Channel's "Fox & Friends." "Collusion is not a crime."
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/30/trump-l ... crime.html
Now, this is a bit of gamesmanship on Giuliani's part. He's right that the federal code does not define collusion as a crime. However, if you look at what the Russians who have been indicted already have been charged with, it's "conspiracy against the United States," and if any Americans are charged, it would be under that statute or a similar statute. (or obstruction)
But it's still a big change of direction for the Trump team from, there was no collusion to collusion is not a crime.
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Not that you can believe anything Giuliani says, but he has walked that statement back. What's interesting is that Rick Gates was part of that meeting that may or may not have taken place and that Trump may or may not have known about. I'm sure that Mueller has already talked to Gates about that meeting and any others he may have been a part of.Bob78164 wrote:This much is clear. Giuliani admitted on national television that the campaign took the Russian lawyer's promises seriously enough that several members of the campaign held a "pre-meeting" (my phrase, not Giuliani's) to prepare for the meeting a couple of days in advance. And we still don't know who was on the other end of Junior's call to the blocked number. --Bob
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Well, sort of. When I listened to the tape, it sounds like Giuliani will still agreeing that a meeting took place, but he claims it was about "the Hispanic judge" (native-born American citizen United States District Judge Gonzalo Curiel). I'm having a hard time imagining how he can be sure that those people didn't also talk about the upcoming meeting with the Russian agent. --Bobsilverscreenselect wrote:Not that you can believe anything Giuliani says, but he has walked that statement back. What's interesting is that Rick Gates was part of that meeting that may or may not have taken place and that Trump may or may not have known about. I'm sure that Mueller has already talked to Gates about that meeting and any others he may have been a part of.Bob78164 wrote:This much is clear. Giuliani admitted on national television that the campaign took the Russian lawyer's promises seriously enough that several members of the campaign held a "pre-meeting" (my phrase, not Giuliani's) to prepare for the meeting a couple of days in advance. And we still don't know who was on the other end of Junior's call to the blocked number. --Bob
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