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A possibility but I don't know

65. Irving Fisher, 76. John Stevens 27. Henry Wallace

(FL) Irving Wallace (Chapman)
(LL) Fisher Stevens (Circuit)
(FF) John Irving (Rules)
(FL) Henry Fisher ( ?? )


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69. Thomas Wyatt 84. Jane Pierce 15. Samuel Butler

(FF) Thomas Jane (Mickey)
(LL) Pierce Butler (Buck)
(FL) Jane Wyatt (Margaret)
(FL) Samuel Pierce (HUD)


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And the mayor that you will eventually find may also reflect a geographic bias toward an even bigger city.


How about John Lindsay, former mayor of NYC? We have a Lindsay on the board at #93.

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17. is LARRY ROBINSON

99. is MARSHALL HALL

100. is JOHN DEWEY

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54. Jonathan Walker, 66. David Scott, 17. Larry Robinson

FF Larry David (Kramer)
FL David Robinson (San Antonio)
FL Jonathan Scott (Property)
LL Scott Walker (Wisconsin)

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63. is HENRY HOWARD

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63. is HENRY HOWARD


63. The four stages of the process she helped define are excitement, plateau, orgasm, and resolution.

???


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I have a bunch of partials

I don't know whether to post them - and add in the Gale Gordon/Dorothy Sayers et al - to see if we can collectively complete some of these.


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64. Willie Brown 100. John Dewey 93. Robert Lindsay

FL John Lindsay (Mayor)
FF Willie John (Fever)
FL Robert Brown (Naturalist?)
LL Dewey Brown (Golf)


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63. is HENRY HOWARD


63. The four stages of the process she helped define are excitement, plateau, orgasm, and resolution.

???


Should have been 69. but I now see that Thomas Wyatt is a better answer. Please disregard.

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64. Willie Brown 100. John Dewey 93. Robert Lindsay

FL John Lindsay (Mayor)
FF Willie John (Fever)
FL Robert Brown (Naturalist?)
LL Dewey Brown (Golf)


I just realized this won't work as constructed. What I get for working puzzles at 1:30 a.m.

Dewey will likely make up George Dewey for "Manila."


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64. Willie Brown 100. John Dewey 36. George Kelly

FL George Dewey (Manila)
FF Willie John (Fever)
FL John Kelly ( Chief)
LL Dewey Brown (Golf)


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64. Willie Brown 100. John Dewey 93. Robert Lindsay

FL John Lindsay (Mayor)
FF Willie John (Fever)
FL Robert Brown (Naturalist?)
LL Dewey Brown (Golf)


I just realized this won't work as constructed. What I get for working puzzles at 1:30 a.m.

Dewey will likely make up George Dewey for "Manila."


Yeah, I find myself finding matches like this one, too, but I think we need to revisit Frank's comments after the first few matches. To paraphrase: there's one name out of the three which is the "Middle name," in other words, it gets assimilated. So whoever the middle name is has their first name used twice, once each as a first and last name, and their last name similarly used twice. That doesn't work for this match, so it must not be valid.

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64. Willie Brown 100. John Dewey 93. Robert Lindsay

FL John Lindsay (Mayor)
FF Willie John (Fever)
FL Robert Brown (Naturalist?)
LL Dewey Brown (Golf)


I just realized this won't work as constructed. What I get for working puzzles at 1:30 a.m.

Dewey will likely make up George Dewey for "Manila."


Yeah, I find myself finding matches like this one, too, but I think we need to revisit Frank's comments after the first few matches. To paraphrase: there's one name out of the three which is the "Middle name," in other words, it gets assimilated. So whoever the middle name is has their first name used twice, once each as a first and last name, and their last name similarly used twice. That doesn't work for this match, so it must not be valid.


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64. Willie Brown 100. John Dewey 36. George Kelly

FL George Dewey (Manila)
FF Willie John (Fever)
FL John Kelly ( Chief)
LL Dewey Brown (Golf)


Proposal: We change George Kelly out for George Marshall. We don't even have to change the Associated Word for the one match affected! Current chief of staff John Kelly instead becomes former Chief Justice John Marshall.

Reason is I'm betting the person associated with the word makeover is Clinton Kelly.

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64. Willie Brown 100. John Dewey 36. George Kelly

FL George Dewey (Manila)
FF Willie John (Fever)
FL John Kelly ( Chief)
LL Dewey Brown (Golf)


Proposal: We change George Kelly out for George Marshall. We don't even have to change the Associated Word for the one match affected! Current chief of staff John Kelly instead becomes former Chief Justice John Marshall.

Reason is I'm betting the person associated with the word makeover is Clinton Kelly.


YES!!!


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mellytu74 wrote:
64. Willie Brown 100. John Dewey 36. George Kelly

FL George Dewey (Manila)
FF Willie John (Fever)
FL John Kelly ( Chief)
LL Dewey Brown (Golf)


Proposal: We change George Kelly out for George Marshall. We don't even have to change the Associated Word for the one match affected! Current chief of staff John Kelly instead becomes former Chief Justice John Marshall.

Reason is I'm betting the person associated with the word makeover is Clinton Kelly.


And George Clinton could match with funk. Unfortunately, that means Bill Clinton is the middle name which means we're going to have to find someone with the surname Bill. Not too easy.

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64. Willie Brown 100. John Dewey 36. George Kelly

FL George Dewey (Manila)
FF Willie John (Fever)
FL John Kelly ( Chief)
LL Dewey Brown (Golf)


Proposal: We change George Kelly out for George Marshall. We don't even have to change the Associated Word for the one match affected! Current chief of staff John Kelly instead becomes former Chief Justice John Marshall.

Reason is I'm betting the person associated with the word makeover is Clinton Kelly.


And George Clinton could match with funk. Unfortunately, that means Bill Clinton is the middle name which means we're going to have to find someone with the surname Bill. Not too easy.


That's not true! George Kelly could be the middle name in this scenario, and we only use ol' horny Bill twice.

So 1. Bill Clinton, 36. George Kelly, and someone make

LL Clinton Kelly (makeover)
FL George Clinton (funk)
FL Kelly --------
FF ----------- George

Maybe?

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63. is HENRY HOWARD
63. The four stages of the process she helped define are excitement, plateau, orgasm, and resolution.

???
VIRGINIA MASTERS, most likely.

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And George Clinton could match with funk. Unfortunately, that means Bill Clinton is the middle name which means we're going to have to find someone with the surname Bill. Not too easy.


Bet you can, though.


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And George Clinton could match with funk. Unfortunately, that means Bill Clinton is the middle name which means we're going to have to find someone with the surname Bill. Not too easy.


Bet you can, though.


82. Tony Bennett + 1. Bill Clinton = Tony Bill (Blow)


Bill Bennett (Virtue)


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After working on this far too long, I got some partial matches...

100. John Dewey, 34. George Martin, 31. Tom Anderson
(FF) Tommy John (Reconstruction)
(FL) John Anderson (?)
(FL) George Dewey (Manila)
(LL) Dewey Martin (Peggy)

73. Herbert Spencer, 5. John Dryden
(FL) John Spencer (Chief)
(LL) Spencer Dryden (Jefferson)
Yet another name for Chief. I also found Perry White, but couldn't match him with anyone.

30. Casey Anthony, 86. Bob Jones
(FL) Casey Jones (Train)
(FF) Bob Casey (Pennsylvania)

10. William Clark, 51. Roy Kerr
(LL) Clark Kerr (Berkeley)
(FL) Roy Clark (Buck)
That means Pierce Butler needs a different associated word. How about South Carolina?

62. Justin Wilson, 27. Henry Wallace
(FF) Justin Henry (Kramer)
(FL) Henry Wilson (VP)
That means Larry David needs a different associated word. How about Standup?


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Updated consolidation…

Identify the 105 people in the clues below. Match them into 35 groups of three according to a Tangredi, or principle you must discover for yourself. Then, match each threesome with FOUR of the Associated Words.

No name will be used twice.

There are some possible alternate pairs, but if you can make an alternate threesome, I’ll be astounded. This may be tough, but you'll work it out.

*1. BILL CLINTON
*2. JAMES CLERK MAXWELL
*3. GLENN MILLER
4. CY YOUNG
5. JOHN DRYDEN
*6. MICHAEL CRAWFORD
7. HENRY FORD
8. BILL T JONES
*9. HENRY ADAMS
10. WILLIAM CLARK
11. PERRY MASON

12. The most important work of this British idealist philosopher was an 1893 study about the gap between appearances and reality.

13. BLAKE LEWIS
14. WILLIAM ROTH
*15. SAMUEL BUTLER
*16. DICK MARTIN
*17. LARRY ROBINSON
*18. GEORGE E. SMITH
*19. THOMAS LAWRENCE
20. WILLIAM ALLEN WHITE
21. BILL W(ILSON)
22. RICHARD ALLEN
23. JOHN HAWKINS
24. BRIAN WILSON
25. DOROTHY SAYERS
26. BUCK HENRY
27. HENRY WALLACE
28. RON JOHNSON

29. This American scientist became embroiled in several nasty disputes, claiming retroactive priority over discoveries and inventions made by – among others – Samuel F.B. Morse and William T.G. Morton.
CHARLES THOMAS JACKSON

30. CASEY ANTHONY
31. TOM ANDERSON
*32. BARNEY MILLER
33. JAMES THOMPSON

34. Both Paul McCartney and Julian Lennon have supported claims that this man was “the fifth Beatle,” though Julian’s father disparaged his contributions. (Of course; he would.)
BRIAN EPSTEIN? GEORGE MARTIN?

*35. JOE GOULD
*36. GEORGE KELLY
37. WOLFGANG PETERSEN
38. JAMES DOUGLAS
39. RICHARD "RIP" HAMILTON
*40. JOHNNY LONG
*41. HELEN KELLER
42. JOHN ANDERSON

43. A leading figure in the transition from Federal architecture to Greek Revival, he designed many New England homes and also authored the first American pattern books, such as 1830’s Practical House Carpenter.
ASHER BENJAMIN

44. PAUL SMITH
45. JOHN NEWTON
46. GEORGE PICKETT
*47. ROBERT LOUIS STEVENSON
48. JACK BUCHANAN
49. CLIFF BURTON
50. ELIZABETH RYAN
51. ROY KERR
52. HENRY BILLINGS BROWN
53. FRANK KING
*54. JONATHAN WALKER
*55. HENRY HUGGINS
56. MICHAEL KENNEDY
57. LEONARD COLEMAN
58. ROBERT BROWNE
*59. KAY THOMPSON
60. CHARLES WHITMAN
*61. STEVE VAN BUREN
62. JUSTIN WILSON
63. VIRGINIA JOHNSON
64. WILLIE BROWN

65. Considered by Milton Friedman to be America’s greatest economist, he played a major role in developing the quantity theory of money, but his reputation did suffer major damage when he declared that the stock market had reached a “permanently high plateau” – in 1929.
IRVING FISHER

*66. DAVID SCOTT
67. WALTER BUTLER
68. PAUL TAYLOR
*69. THOMAS WYATT
70. GALE GORDON
*71. JAMES TAYLOR
*72. GEORGE CRUIKSHANK
73. HERBERT SPENCER
*74. LEE RAYMOND
*75. CLARENCE PAGE

76. In addition to building the first American steam locomotive and operating the first U.S. ferry service, this inventor also played a major role in establishing U.S. patent law.
JOHN STEVENS

77. HOWARD DEAN
*78. WILL PARKER
79. PHIL JACKSON
80. ROBERT ANDERSON
81. WAYNE BRADY
*82. TONY BENNETT
*83. GEORGE JACKSON
*84. JANE PIERCE
*85. PHILLIP MORRIS
86. BOB JONES

87. In 1953, this political theorist published a book that played a large role in shaping the modern American conservative movement; toward the end of his life, he became a vocal critic of Republican militarism and U.S. involvement in the Gulf War.
RUSSELL KIRK

88. WARREN CHRISTOPHER
89. ROBERT EDWARDS
90. JUSTIN ROSE

91. This poet was the 17th successor to the poet in Clue #5, but he became a dirty word to some who blamed him for the death another poet.
TED HUGHES

*92. GENE CHANDLER
93. ROBERT LINDSAY
*94. FRANK LUCAS
95. GILBERT STUART
96. NICK ADAMS
97. MARY HARRIS JONES
98. GEORGE MARSHALL

99. In 1833, this English physiologist propounded the theory that the spinal cord is comprised by a chain of units that functions as an independent reflex arcs.
MARSHALL HALL

100. One of the chief proponents of the philosophical school of pragmatism, he also was a major figure in the development of progressive education.
JOHN DEWEY

*101. JAMES FENIMORE COOPER
102. GEORGE MITCHELL
*103. ELLIOTT CARTER
104. JOSH GIBSON
*105. JOHN FORD

TANGREDI
From the group of three names, make four new names. For each set of four new names, one will be made by combining two first names, one by combining two last names, and the other two will be combinations of first and last names. Each of the four new names will match a word from the word list.

MATCHES

75. Clarence Page, 103. Elliott Carter, and 35. Joe Gould
(FL) Clarence Carter (Patches)
(LL) Carter Page (Trump)
(FL) Elliott Gould (Trapper)
(FF) Joe Elliott (Def)

78. Will Parker, 47. Robert L Stevenson, and 18. George Smith
(FL) Robert Parker (Spenser)
(LL) Parker Stevenson (Hardy)
(FF) George Will (This Week)
(FL) Will Smith (Ali)

3. Glenn Miller, 105. John Ford, and 55. Henry Huggins
(FF) John Glenn (Mercury)
(LL) Miller Huggins (Murderers)
(FL) Henry Miller (Capricorn)
(FL) Glenn Ford (Gilda)

40. Johnny Long, 6. Michael Crawford, 83. George Jackson
(FL) Johnny Crawford (Rifleman)
(LL) Crawford Long (Anesthesia)
(FF) George Michael (Faith)
(FL) Michael Jackson (Neverland)

61. Steve Van Buren, 16. Dick Martin 85. Phillip Morris
(FL) Steve Martin (Jerk)
(LL) Martin Van Buren (OK)
(FF) Phillip Dick (Sheep)
(FL) Dick Morris (Clinton)

2. Francis Bradley, 101. James Fennimore Cooper 59. Kay Thompson
(FL) James Bradley (Astronomer)
(LL) Bradley Cooper (Sniper)
(FF) Kay Francis (One Way)
(FL) Francis Thompson (Hound)

41. Helen Keller, 19. Thomas Lawrence, 71. James Taylor
(FL) James Lawrence (Chesapeake)
(LL) Lawrence Taylor (Giant)
(FF) Helen Thomas (Press)
(FL) Thomas Keller (Laundry)

72. George Cruikshank, 94. Frank Lucas, 32. Barney Miller
(FL) George Lucas (Wars)
(LL) Lucas Cruikshank (Fred)
(FF) Barney Frank (Dodd)
(FL) Frank Miller (Sin)

92. Gene Chandler, 74. Lee Raymond, and 9. Henry Adams
(FL) Gene Raymond (MacDonald)
(LL) Raymond Chandler (Farewell)
(FF) Henry Lee (Horse)
(FL) Lee Adams (Strouse)

69. Thomas Wyatt 84. Jane Pierce 15. Samuel Butler
(FF) Thomas Jane (Mickey)
(LL) Pierce Butler (Buck)
(FL) Jane Wyatt (Margaret)
(FL) Samuel Pierce (HUD)

54. Jonathan Walker, 66. David Scott, 17. Larry Robinson
(FF) Larry David (Kramer)
(FL) David Robinson (San Antonio)
(FL) Jonathan Scott (Property)
(LL) Scott Walker (Wisconsin)

1. Bill Clinton, 36. George Kelly, 82. Tony Bennett
(FF) Tony Bill (Blow)
(FL) Bill Bennett (Virtue)
(FL) George Clinton (Funk)
(LL) Clinton Kelly (Makeover)

UNUSED ASSOCIATED WORDS
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Shakespeare
Berkeley
Duran
West
Chapman
Jefferson
Donna
Albert
Peggy
Jerry
Greg
Floyd
Dennis
Bonnie
Clarence
Mark
Tammy
Jesse
Tor
Mick
Daisy
Daffy
Charity
Panther
Rooster
Foxes
Whales
Fighters
Rascals
Spy
Devil
Standup
Patriot
Mayor
Chief
Chaplain
Martyr
Naturalist
Media Mogul
Godfather
Wife
VP
North Carolina
South Carolina
Pennsylvania
Las Vegas
Seattle
Detroit
St. Louis
Baltimore
Nuremberg
Manila
Flatbush
Nile
Oz
Apollo
Empty
Metaphysical
Spiritual
Bewitched
Wicked
Lust
Cello
Piccolo
Reconstruction
Gold Rush
Golf
Poker
Swing
Jump
Chop
Jelly
Ice Cream
Upstairs
Enterprise
Arcades
College
Fever
Formula
Ion
Magnetism
Circuit
Ferry
Train
Rules
Front Page
Middle
Center
Lost
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After working on this far too long, I got some partial matches...

100. John Dewey, 34. George Martin, 31. Tom Anderson
(FF) Tommy John (Reconstruction)
(FL) John Anderson (?)
(FL) George Dewey (Manila)
(LL) Dewey Martin (Peggy)

73. Herbert Spencer, 5. John Dryden
(FL) John Spencer (Chief)
(LL) Spencer Dryden (Jefferson)
Yet another name for Chief. I also found Perry White, but couldn't match him with anyone.

30. Casey Anthony, 86. Bob Jones
(FL) Casey Jones (Train)
(FF) Bob Casey (Pennsylvania)

10. William Clark, 51. Roy Kerr
(LL) Clark Kerr (Berkeley)
(FL) Roy Clark (Buck)
That means Pierce Butler needs a different associated word. How about South Carolina?

62. Justin Wilson, 27. Henry Wallace
(FF) Justin Henry (Kramer)
(FL) Henry Wilson (VP)
That means Larry David needs a different associated word. How about Standup?



John Spencer COULD go with West (Wing)

Another partial

13. Blake Lewis 89. Robert Edwards
FF Robert Blake (Rascals)
FL Blake Edwards (Panther)


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After working on this far too long, I got some partial matches...

100. John Dewey, 34. George Martin, 31. Tom Anderson
(FF) Tommy John (Reconstruction)
(FL) John Anderson (?)
(FL) George Dewey (Manila)
(LL) Dewey Martin (Peggy)

73. Herbert Spencer, 5. John Dryden
(FL) John Spencer (Chief)
(LL) Spencer Dryden (Jefferson)
Yet another name for Chief. I also found Perry White, but couldn't match him with anyone.

30. Casey Anthony, 86. Bob Jones
(FL) Casey Jones (Train)
(FF) Bob Casey (Pennsylvania)

10. William Clark, 51. Roy Kerr
(LL) Clark Kerr (Berkeley)
(FL) Roy Clark (Buck)
That means Pierce Butler needs a different associated word. How about South Carolina?

62. Justin Wilson, 27. Henry Wallace
(FF) Justin Henry (Kramer)
(FL) Henry Wilson (VP)
That means Larry David needs a different associated word. How about Standup?


Or Jerry, as in Seinfeld. Good work, Jarnon. The first partial up there may be a little suspect, because Frank is so good at maintaining the name a person is known by, so Tom Anderson wouldn't match Tommy John. Plus I think Melly already got a match that had the George Dewey Manila thing in there, didn't she?

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