Oooh. Trembling, rat.Bob Juch wrote:Michael Avenatti says he has a third accuser:"Warning: My client re Kavanaugh has previously done work within the State Dept, U.S. Mint, & DOJ. She has been granted multiple security clearances in the past including Public Trust & Secret. The GOP and others better be very careful in trying to suggest that she is not credible."
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Well, then
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I have never been so pessimistic about the survival of the nation as i am tonight
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feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Yes. Well. There's that.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I have never been so pessimistic about the survival of the nation as i am tonight
Well, then
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Hmmmm. What porn star has worked in all those places? Probably a lot. Maybe it's Stormy?Bob Juch wrote:Michael Avenatti says he has a third accuser:"Warning: My client re Kavanaugh has previously done work within the State Dept, U.S. Mint, & DOJ. She has been granted multiple security clearances in the past including Public Trust & Secret. The GOP and others better be very careful in trying to suggest that she is not credible."
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Washington Examiner wrote:Woman furious with Brett Kavanaugh's ‘Renate Alumnius’ listing in high school yearbook
by Diana Stancy Correll
September 24, 2018 08:41 PM
Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh listed himself as a “Renate Alumnius” in his Georgetown Preparatory School’s high school yearbook — an apparent reference to Renate Schroeder Dolphin, who attended a Catholic girls’ school nearby.
After Kavanaugh was first accused of sexual misconduct by Christine Blasey Ford, Dolphin joined more than 60 other women who knew Kavanaugh in high school and signed a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee saying “he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.”
But now Dolphin has seen Kavanaugh’s yearbook page.
“I learned about these yearbook pages only a few days ago,” Dolphin said in a statement, according to the New York Times. “I don’t know what ‘Renate Alumnus’ actually means. I can’t begin to comprehend what goes through the minds of 17-year-old boys who write such things, but the insinuation is horrible, hurtful and simply untrue. I pray their daughters are never treated this way. I will have no further comment.”
“Renate” is referenced at least 14 times in the 1983 yearbook page, either on individual's pages and also in a group photo labeled “Renate Alumni (missing: Pres. J.C. Del Real).” Two of Kavanaugh's classmates told the Times that the boys were bragging about their conquests by including the name, although Kavanaugh claimed in an interview with Fox News' Martha McCallum on Monday that he remained a virgin in high school.
Kavanaugh’s lawyer Alexandra Walsh said it was only mentioned because Kavanaugh and Dolphin attended an event in high school together. “Judge Kavanaugh was friends with Renate Dolphin in high school. He admired her very much then, and he admires her to this day," Walsh said.
“Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Dolphin attended one high school event together and shared a brief kiss good night following that event,” the statement continued. “They had no other such encounter. The language from Judge Kavanaugh’s high school yearbook refers to the fact that he and Ms. Dolphin attended that one high school event together and nothing else.”
Dolphin asserted in a statement through her lawyer that Kavanaugh “must have me confused with someone else, because I never kissed him.”
Kavanaugh has been accused by two women of sexual misconduct. Christine Blasey Ford, the first woman, claims Kavanaugh forced himself onto her at a high school party in the 1980s.
The New Yorker also published a piece on Sunday in which Deborah Ramirez accused Kavanaugh of exposing himself to her at a college party in the 1980s at Yale University when they were students.
Kavanaugh has rejected both allegations, and he and Ford are slated to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday.
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Oh, Please. Spare us the garbage from the far corners of the internet.Bob Juch wrote:Washington Examiner wrote:Woman furious with Brett Kavanaugh's ‘Renate Alumnius’ listing in high school yearbook
by Diana Stancy Correll
September 24, 2018 08:41 PM
Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh listed himself as a “Renate Alumnius” in his Georgetown Preparatory School’s high school yearbook — an apparent reference to Renate Schroeder Dolphin, who attended a Catholic girls’ school nearby.
After Kavanaugh was first accused of sexual misconduct by Christine Blasey Ford, Dolphin joined more than 60 other women who knew Kavanaugh in high school and signed a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee saying “he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.”
But now Dolphin has seen Kavanaugh’s yearbook page.
“I learned about these yearbook pages only a few days ago,” Dolphin said in a statement, according to the New York Times. “I don’t know what ‘Renate Alumnus’ actually means. I can’t begin to comprehend what goes through the minds of 17-year-old boys who write such things, but the insinuation is horrible, hurtful and simply untrue. I pray their daughters are never treated this way. I will have no further comment.”
“Renate” is referenced at least 14 times in the 1983 yearbook page, either on individual's pages and also in a group photo labeled “Renate Alumni (missing: Pres. J.C. Del Real).” Two of Kavanaugh's classmates told the Times that the boys were bragging about their conquests by including the name, although Kavanaugh claimed in an interview with Fox News' Martha McCallum on Monday that he remained a virgin in high school.
Kavanaugh’s lawyer Alexandra Walsh said it was only mentioned because Kavanaugh and Dolphin attended an event in high school together. “Judge Kavanaugh was friends with Renate Dolphin in high school. He admired her very much then, and he admires her to this day," Walsh said.
“Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Dolphin attended one high school event together and shared a brief kiss good night following that event,” the statement continued. “They had no other such encounter. The language from Judge Kavanaugh’s high school yearbook refers to the fact that he and Ms. Dolphin attended that one high school event together and nothing else.”
Dolphin asserted in a statement through her lawyer that Kavanaugh “must have me confused with someone else, because I never kissed him.”
Kavanaugh has been accused by two women of sexual misconduct. Christine Blasey Ford, the first woman, claims Kavanaugh forced himself onto her at a high school party in the 1980s.
The New Yorker also published a piece on Sunday in which Deborah Ramirez accused Kavanaugh of exposing himself to her at a college party in the 1980s at Yale University when they were students.
Kavanaugh has rejected both allegations, and he and Ford are slated to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday.
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What, and deprive you of all your study material?flockofseagulls104 wrote: Oh, Please. Spare us the garbage from the far corners of the internet.
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Maryland does not have a statute of limitations for sexual assault.
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This story was published in the New York Times. I can see why you have a problem with it. Facts have a well known liberal bias.flockofseagulls104 wrote:Oh, Please. Spare us the garbage from the far corners of the internet.Bob Juch wrote:Washington Examiner wrote:Woman furious with Brett Kavanaugh's ‘Renate Alumnius’ listing in high school yearbook
by Diana Stancy Correll
September 24, 2018 08:41 PM
Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh listed himself as a “Renate Alumnius” in his Georgetown Preparatory School’s high school yearbook — an apparent reference to Renate Schroeder Dolphin, who attended a Catholic girls’ school nearby.
After Kavanaugh was first accused of sexual misconduct by Christine Blasey Ford, Dolphin joined more than 60 other women who knew Kavanaugh in high school and signed a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee saying “he has behaved honorably and treated women with respect.”
But now Dolphin has seen Kavanaugh’s yearbook page.
“I learned about these yearbook pages only a few days ago,” Dolphin said in a statement, according to the New York Times. “I don’t know what ‘Renate Alumnus’ actually means. I can’t begin to comprehend what goes through the minds of 17-year-old boys who write such things, but the insinuation is horrible, hurtful and simply untrue. I pray their daughters are never treated this way. I will have no further comment.”
“Renate” is referenced at least 14 times in the 1983 yearbook page, either on individual's pages and also in a group photo labeled “Renate Alumni (missing: Pres. J.C. Del Real).” Two of Kavanaugh's classmates told the Times that the boys were bragging about their conquests by including the name, although Kavanaugh claimed in an interview with Fox News' Martha McCallum on Monday that he remained a virgin in high school.
Kavanaugh’s lawyer Alexandra Walsh said it was only mentioned because Kavanaugh and Dolphin attended an event in high school together. “Judge Kavanaugh was friends with Renate Dolphin in high school. He admired her very much then, and he admires her to this day," Walsh said.
“Judge Kavanaugh and Ms. Dolphin attended one high school event together and shared a brief kiss good night following that event,” the statement continued. “They had no other such encounter. The language from Judge Kavanaugh’s high school yearbook refers to the fact that he and Ms. Dolphin attended that one high school event together and nothing else.”
Dolphin asserted in a statement through her lawyer that Kavanaugh “must have me confused with someone else, because I never kissed him.”
Kavanaugh has been accused by two women of sexual misconduct. Christine Blasey Ford, the first woman, claims Kavanaugh forced himself onto her at a high school party in the 1980s.
The New Yorker also published a piece on Sunday in which Deborah Ramirez accused Kavanaugh of exposing himself to her at a college party in the 1980s at Yale University when they were students.
Kavanaugh has rejected both allegations, and he and Ford are slated to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday.
No one has yet answered me -- if these accusations are all Democratic inventions, why didn't they pop up when Gorsuch was nominated? Occam's Razor suggests that the reason these accounts are appearing for Kavanaugh but not for Gorsuch is because these things actually happened with Kavanaugh but not for Gorsuch. In any event, it's absolutely inexcusable for the Senate to rush to confirm him without allowing time for a full investigation. --Bob
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Gorsuch went to Georgetown Prep too. Maybe the atmosphere changed by then.Bob78164 wrote:This story was published in the New York Times. I can see why you have a problem with it. Facts have a well known liberal bias.flockofseagulls104 wrote:Oh, Please. Spare us the garbage from the far corners of the internet.Bob Juch wrote:
No one has yet answered me -- if these accusations are all Democratic inventions, why didn't they pop up when Gorsuch was nominated? Occam's Razor suggests that the reason these accounts are appearing for Kavanaugh but not for Gorsuch is because these things actually happened with Kavanaugh but not for Gorsuch. In any event, it's absolutely inexcusable for the Senate to rush to confirm him without allowing time for a full investigation. --Bob
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One thought -- a move from Scalia to Gorsuch did not change the make-up of the court on the liberal-conservative spectrum. Democrats are afraid that replacing Kennedy with Kavanaugh will.Bob78164 wrote:This story was published in the New York Times. I can see why you have a problem with it. Facts have a well known liberal bias.flockofseagulls104 wrote:Oh, Please. Spare us the garbage from the far corners of the internet.Bob Juch wrote:
No one has yet answered me -- if these accusations are all Democratic inventions, why didn't they pop up when Gorsuch was nominated? Occam's Razor suggests that the reason these accounts are appearing for Kavanaugh but not for Gorsuch is because these things actually happened with Kavanaugh but not for Gorsuch. In any event, it's absolutely inexcusable for the Senate to rush to confirm him without allowing time for a full investigation. --Bob
Now, here is my question. If we should care about what a teenager allegedly did (even if it appears that it cannot be proven with evidence) because of the thought that "if he did it once, he kept doing it", then why haven't there been any allegations from the last 30 years despite there being an opportunity for 2 weeks now? Isn't that a telling fact regarding the man that Kavanaugh is today? Isn't his behavior during his professional career more relevant to his qualification to be a judge who issues reasonable decisions. After all, that is the standard for confirmation -- can he research the law, listen to arguments, ask questions, and render a decision based on reason. It is not whether he will render decisions with which a majority of Senators or a majority of the public will agree.
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No, it isn't.it's absolutely inexcusable for the Senate to rush to confirm him without allowing time for a full investigation. --Bob
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Well, there has been talk about his preference for female clerks who look a certain way. And, as with most thing, it takes a while for these allegations to come out, and the reaction that this Ramirez woman has gotten in the last two days is a good reason why. Kavanaugh may have cleaned up his act or he may simply have gotten better at covering his tracks. That's one thing that an investigation just might bring out.Appa23 wrote: Then why haven't there been any allegations from the last 30 years despite there being an opportunity for 2 weeks now? Isn't that a telling fact regarding the man that Kavanaugh is today? Isn't his behavior during his professional career more relevant to his qualification to be a judge who issues reasonable decisions. After all, that is the standard for confirmation -- can he research the law, listen to arguments, ask questions, and render a decision based on reason. It is not whether he will render decisions with which a majority of Senators or a majority of the public will agree.
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They could vote him in yesterday and it would have been enough time. The confirmations have been going on for some time.flockofseagulls104 wrote:No, it isn't.it's absolutely inexcusable for the Senate to rush to confirm him without allowing time for a full investigation. --Bob
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How long did we wait for confirmation hearings on Merrick Garland?BackInTex wrote:The confirmations have been going on for some time.
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As Bob#s says.....WhaTaBoUtIsMsilverscreenselect wrote:How long did we wait for confirmation hearings on Merrick Garland?BackInTex wrote:The confirmations have been going on for some time.
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So what? How will things change if we take a month or two to get at the truth? It really sounds like you're willing to risk putting an attempted rapist on the Court because you're afraid you'll lose the opportunity to move the Court in the political direction you prefer. --BobBackInTex wrote:They could vote him in yesterday and it would have been enough time. The confirmations have been going on for some time.flockofseagulls104 wrote:No, it isn't.it's absolutely inexcusable for the Senate to rush to confirm him without allowing time for a full investigation. --Bob
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Three things. One, we won't know whether the allegations can be proven with evidence until someone actually investigates and tries to find evidence. Senate Republicans aren't willing to let that happen.Appa23 wrote:Now, here is my question. If we should care about what a teenager allegedly did (even if it appears that it cannot be proven with evidence) because of the thought that "if he did it once, he kept doing it", then why haven't there been any allegations from the last 30 years despite there being an opportunity for 2 weeks now? Isn't that a telling fact regarding the man that Kavanaugh is today? Isn't his behavior during his professional career more relevant to his qualification to be a judge who issues reasonable decisions. After all, that is the standard for confirmation -- can he research the law, listen to arguments, ask questions, and render a decision based on reason. It is not whether he will render decisions with which a majority of Senators or a majority of the public will agree.
Second, like it or not, there's a lot of moral judgment that happens on the Court. I don't want an attempted rapist making those decisions, particularly on issues like women's rights. I don't think most of the country wants that. We should spend the time necessary to investigate whether Dr. Blasey Ford's charge that Judge Kavanaugh is an attempted rapist is true.
Third, if he did it, it means he's lying now, as an adult, when he denies it. --Bob
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No we shouldn't.Bob78164 wrote: We should spend the time necessary to investigate whether Dr. Blasey Ford's charge that Judge Kavanaugh is an attempted rapist is true.
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Because you're willing to put him on the Court even if every word she says is true? I don't think most of the American people agree with that. --BobBackInTex wrote:No we shouldn't.Bob78164 wrote: We should spend the time necessary to investigate whether Dr. Blasey Ford's charge that Judge Kavanaugh is an attempted rapist is true.
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Every word she says is not true.Bob78164 wrote:Because you're willing to put him on the Court even if every word she says is true? I don't think most of the American people agree with that. --BobBackInTex wrote:No we shouldn't.Bob78164 wrote: We should spend the time necessary to investigate whether Dr. Blasey Ford's charge that Judge Kavanaugh is an attempted rapist is true.
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Were you there? You don't know that. You can't know that. You've just decided for political reasons (like most Republican Senators) to prejudge the situation before even hearing the evidence. --BobBackInTex wrote:Every word she says is not true.Bob78164 wrote:Because you're willing to put him on the Court even if every word she says is true? I don't think most of the American people agree with that. --BobBackInTex wrote:
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No I was not there. Neither was Kavanaugh.Bob78164 wrote:Were you there? You don't know that. You can't know that. You've just decided for political reasons (like most Republican Senators) to prejudge the situation before even hearing the evidence. --BobBackInTex wrote:Every word she says is not true.Bob78164 wrote:Because you're willing to put him on the Court even if every word she says is true? I don't think most of the American people agree with that. --Bob
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