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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2018 10:45 am 
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The similarities between Trump's rallies and Hitler's early rally speeches are startling.


You've lost your ability to present reasoned arguments supported by facts, or heck, even conjecture, to support your positions. You used to be better.

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The similarities between Trump's rallies and Hitler's early rally speeches are startling.


You've lost your ability to present reasoned arguments supported by facts, or heck, even conjecture, to support your positions. You used to be better.


Seriously, as tbe one who started this thread can't I invoke Godwin's law? Beast! Delete this thread. pleasepleazeplease

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Your list doesn't include a single instance where Trump incited violence. In one of the eight "examples," he suggested that, if people see someone preparing an assault, they might "knock the crap out of them." That's defensive.

None of the others have anything to do with inciting future violence. One of the sections even cuts the actual quote short, removing where he specifically says, "DON'T."


Trump often, but not always, semi-sort-of-kind-of walks back his statements at a later point, usually in a tone of voice or accompanied by gestures that indicate to everyone what his real feelings are. That gives literalist commentators the cover they need to say that Trump really wasn't advocating violence while stirring up his followers in exactly the way he intends. The similarities between Trump's rallies and Hitler's early rally speeches are startling.

I would think you had the intelligence to realize this. So, either you're one of Trump's rubes or you're cynical enough not to care.

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The similarities between Trump's rallies and Hitler's early rally speeches are startling.


You've lost your ability to present reasoned arguments supported by facts, or heck, even conjecture, to support your positions. You used to be better.


I'm far from the only person to note the similarities:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/opin ... lying.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 68506.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-s ... ropaganda/

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/31/how-th ... n-of-1932/

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The similarities between Trump's rallies and Hitler's early rally speeches are startling.


You've lost your ability to present reasoned arguments supported by facts, or heck, even conjecture, to support your positions. You used to be better.


I'm far from the only person to note the similarities:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/opin ... lying.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 68506.html

https://www.timesofisrael.com/critics-s ... ropaganda/

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/31/how-th ... n-of-1932/

You also are far from the only person who suffers from TDS.


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Me neither. Ask Maxine Waters and Corey Booker. Then ask why anyone would vote for people who advocate that.


You said stuff, Flock, but you didn't answer the questions: How is it someone's civic duty to yell at her senator and his family at a restaurant? Even more incomprehensible, how is it someone's civic duty to follow someone home and throw tomatoes at his house?

I guess I have to be literal.

It is not someone's civic duty to yell at anyone at a restaurant or anywhere else. It is not anyone's civic duty to throw tomatoes at anyone's house because they don't agree with their politics. It is not anyone's civic duty to get in a politician's face and scream expletives at them. In actuality, it is ignorant, rude and destructive behavior, and is not in any way to be equated to civil disobedience. It is totally disrespectful to disrupt public hearings.
Yet there are many, and they seem to be mostly on the left, that seem to think that it is a noble endeavor to do so. And some of those people have been voted into positions of power and urge their constituents to do so. I give you Ms. Waters and Mr. Booker among others.
Since you mentioned that you were part of a 'protest', I wondered if any of your bunch were of that persuasion, or were urged to do something like that by someone who thinks it is a noble endeavor.

I think you know what I meant.


Thank you for literal and detailed answer.

You give me more credit than I deserve, Flock. I did not know what you meant -- it was incomprehensible to me.

No, our folks are not persuaded that screaming at officials* and throwing tomatoes at them is civic duty or anything close to it. Here we are: https://durangoherald.com/articles/244092

* We used to have some tea partiers who screamed at officials in town hall meetings and such, but they were usually shushed by others in the audience, and if that didn't work, someone politely asked them to leave. Then they would quiet down or leave.

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You said stuff, Flock, but you didn't answer the questions: How is it someone's civic duty to yell at her senator and his family at a restaurant? Even more incomprehensible, how is it someone's civic duty to follow someone home and throw tomatoes at his house?

I guess I have to be literal.

It is not someone's civic duty to yell at anyone at a restaurant or anywhere else. It is not anyone's civic duty to throw tomatoes at anyone's house because they don't agree with their politics. It is not anyone's civic duty to get in a politician's face and scream expletives at them. In actuality, it is ignorant, rude and destructive behavior, and is not in any way to be equated to civil disobedience. It is totally disrespectful to disrupt public hearings.
Yet there are many, and they seem to be mostly on the left, that seem to think that it is a noble endeavor to do so. And some of those people have been voted into positions of power and urge their constituents to do so. I give you Ms. Waters and Mr. Booker among others.
Since you mentioned that you were part of a 'protest', I wondered if any of your bunch were of that persuasion, or were urged to do something like that by someone who thinks it is a noble endeavor.

I think you know what I meant.


Thank you for literal and detailed answer.

You give me more credit than I deserve, Flock. I did not know what you meant -- it was incomprehensible to me.

No, our folks are not persuaded that screaming at officials* and throwing tomatoes at them is civic duty or anything close to it. Here we are: https://durangoherald.com/articles/244092

* We used to have some tea partiers who screamed at officials in town hall meetings and such, but they were usually shushed by others in the audience, and if that didn't work, someone politely asked them to leave. Then they would quiet down or leave.


Sprots. You have not seen nor heard of the protests? I find that odd. You're sharp.

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* We used to have some tea partiers who screamed at officials in town hall meetings and such, but they were usually shushed by others in the audience, and if that didn't work, someone politely asked them to leave. Then they would quiet down or leave.
That is no longer the case. Nowadays, they disrupt until removed and arrested.

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* We used to have some tea partiers who screamed at officials in town hall meetings and such, but they were usually shushed by others in the audience, and if that didn't work, someone politely asked them to leave. Then they would quiet down or leave.
That is no longer the case. Nowadays, they disrupt until removed and arrested.

The tea party isn't a thing anymore.

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Chief Justice John Roberts Accused of ‘Cover Up’ for Sitting on Kavanaugh Misconduct Complaints

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/ch ... omplaints/

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* We used to have some tea partiers who screamed at officials in town hall meetings and such, but they were usually shushed by others in the audience, and if that didn't work, someone politely asked them to leave. Then they would quiet down or leave.
That is no longer the case. Nowadays, they disrupt until removed and arrested.

The tea party isn't a thing anymore.


Yes, it is. The Tea party, as portrayed by the MSM, never existed. The dems and the MSM did the same thing to us as they did to Kavanaugh. But there are millions of us that are against Federal overreach, fiscal incompetence and concentration of power in Washington. And we are still making our presence known at the ballot box.


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Chief Justice John Roberts Accused of ‘Cover Up’ for Sitting on Kavanaugh Misconduct Complaints

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/ch ... omplaints/


According to Judge Henderson's statement, these complaints are pertaining to the statements he made during the confirmation hearings. I'm suuuuuuurrrreeee these complaints are serious and credible and deserve to be heard.

Unless there's something else, or Judge Henderson is misremembering something, I would think this qualifies as fake news.


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According to Judge Henderson's statement, these complaints are pertaining to the statements he made during the confirmation hearings. I'm suuuuuuurrrreeee these complaints are serious and credible and deserve to be heard.

Unless there's something else, or Judge Henderson is misremembering something, I would think this qualifies as fake news.


Any public statements a judge makes, especially in a public forum, deserve scrutiny for possible bias. A judge is not held to the same standards as you or I, regular lawyers, or ordinary politicians. Judge Henderson, a Reagan and Bush 2 appointee, found some of them serious enough to refer to Chief Justice Roberts. But your judgment and knowledge of the law and legal ethics are so much better than hers.

Once again, whenever someone says something you don't like, it's either fake news or Trump derangement syndrome.

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According to Judge Henderson's statement, these complaints are pertaining to the statements he made during the confirmation hearings. I'm suuuuuuurrrreeee these complaints are serious and credible and deserve to be heard.

Unless there's something else, or Judge Henderson is misremembering something, I would think this qualifies as fake news.


Any public statements a judge makes, especially in a public forum, deserve scrutiny for possible bias. A judge is not held to the same standards as you or I, regular lawyers, or ordinary politicians. Judge Henderson, a Reagan and Bush 2 appointee, found some of them serious enough to refer to Chief Justice Roberts. But your judgment and knowledge of the law and legal ethics are so much better than hers.

Once again, whenever someone says something you don't like, it's either fake news or Trump derangement syndrome.


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Jumping fucking jehosophat and angleworms and
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According to Judge Henderson's statement, these complaints are pertaining to the statements he made during the confirmation hearings. I'm suuuuuuurrrreeee these complaints are serious and credible and deserve to be heard.

Unless there's something else, or Judge Henderson is misremembering something, I would think this qualifies as fake news.


Any public statements a judge makes, especially in a public forum, deserve scrutiny for possible bias. A judge is not held to the same standards as you or I, regular lawyers, or ordinary politicians. Judge Henderson, a Reagan and Bush 2 appointee, found some of them serious enough to refer to Chief Justice Roberts. But your judgment and knowledge of the law and legal ethics are so much better than hers.

Once again, whenever someone says something you don't like, it's either fake news or Trump derangement syndrome.


As usual, the headline that BJ send and the one from the WP implies these are old accusations from his period on the circuit, and the Roberts had been sitting on them for some time. I only found the truth by drilling down to the letter they referred to. This is NOT journalism. This is fake news.

This is more stupid crap from the left. Just grow up.


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As usual, the headline that BJ send and the one from the WP implies these are old accusations from his period on the circuit, and the Roberts had been sitting on them for some time. I only found the truth by drilling down to the letter they referred to. This is NOT journalism. This is fake news.

This is more stupid crap from the left. Just grow up.


No, the Washington Post headline said they were complaints about Kavanaugh's testimony. The Law and Crime headline was more vague but didn't imply anything. You chose to interpret it that way so you could label this as "fake news."

And by drilling down, I guess you mean reading the article. I know that's a difficult concept for you to master, but most people manage it.

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I guess I have to be literal.

It is not someone's civic duty to yell at anyone at a restaurant or anywhere else. It is not anyone's civic duty to throw tomatoes at anyone's house because they don't agree with their politics. It is not anyone's civic duty to get in a politician's face and scream expletives at them. In actuality, it is ignorant, rude and destructive behavior, and is not in any way to be equated to civil disobedience. It is totally disrespectful to disrupt public hearings.
Yet there are many, and they seem to be mostly on the left, that seem to think that it is a noble endeavor to do so. And some of those people have been voted into positions of power and urge their constituents to do so. I give you Ms. Waters and Mr. Booker among others.
Since you mentioned that you were part of a 'protest', I wondered if any of your bunch were of that persuasion, or were urged to do something like that by someone who thinks it is a noble endeavor.

I think you know what I meant.


Thank you for literal and detailed answer.

You give me more credit than I deserve, Flock. I did not know what you meant -- it was incomprehensible to me.

No, our folks are not persuaded that screaming at officials* and throwing tomatoes at them is civic duty or anything close to it. Here we are: https://durangoherald.com/articles/244092

* We used to have some tea partiers who screamed at officials in town hall meetings and such, but they were usually shushed by others in the audience, and if that didn't work, someone politely asked them to leave. Then they would quiet down or leave.


Sprots. You have not seen nor heard of the protests? I find that odd. You're sharp.


Thank you, MsKing. What I found incomprehensible was how it would be someone's civic duty to yell at officials and throw tomatoes at them. I believe it was my failure to comprehend what Flock was saying. As Skoop mentioned a loooooong time ago, it's sometime very difficult to decipher sarcasm in these posts. But maybe it was even more basic than that and not sarcasm that I missed at all. I do appreciate Flock's effort and energy in providing that explanation.

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Thank you for literal and detailed answer.

You give me more credit than I deserve, Flock. I did not know what you meant -- it was incomprehensible to me.

No, our folks are not persuaded that screaming at officials* and throwing tomatoes at them is civic duty or anything close to it. Here we are: https://durangoherald.com/articles/244092

* We used to have some tea partiers who screamed at officials in town hall meetings and such, but they were usually shushed by others in the audience, and if that didn't work, someone politely asked them to leave. Then they would quiet down or leave.


Sprots. You have not seen nor heard of the protests? I find that odd. You're sharp.


Thank you, MsKing. What I found incomprehensible was how it would be someone's civic duty to yell at officials and throw tomatoes at them. I believe it was my failure to comprehend what Flock was saying. As Skoop mentioned a loooooong time ago, it's sometime very difficult to decipher sarcasm in these posts. But maybe it was even more basic than that and not sarcasm that I missed at all. I do appreciate Flock's effort and energy in providing that explanation.

It was sarcasm. And I find it very worrisome that people in power, that apparently you seem to support, not only do not condemn the behavior of the people that do these sort of things, but actually encourage it and possibly even organize and pay for it. Why is there no outcry on the left to tell these people to stop disrupting senate hearings with demonstrations of childishness, to stop accosting and harassing duly elected representatives, to correct them in their rude and uncivilized behavior, and to point out the flaws in their demands and 'arguments'?

People who have different opinions see that kind of thing and, because there seems to be no one on the left that is condemning it, assume that is what the democrat party is, and will continue to be.


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As usual, the headline that BJ send and the one from the WP implies these are old accusations from his period on the circuit, and the Roberts had been sitting on them for some time. I only found the truth by drilling down to the letter they referred to. This is NOT journalism. This is fake news.

This is more stupid crap from the left. Just grow up.
No, the Washington Post headline said they were complaints about Kavanaugh's testimony. The Law and Crime headline was more vague but didn't imply anything. You chose to interpret it that way so you could label this as "fake news."

And by drilling down, I guess you mean reading the article. I know that's a difficult concept for you to master, but most people manage it.
Did either article actually, you know, mention what the alleged complaints were? The article linked here was a lot of words about absolutely nothing.

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Senator Collins is making it obvious that she has always supported Kavanaugh. She's using her announcement just to grandstand an endorsement for him. :evil:
I can see why she needed time to announce her decision. She had the White House speechwriters working overtime putting her thoughts together for her.
What makes you think the White House has speechwriters?

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The 51 Senators who voted "Yes" represent 143.2 million Americans.
The 49 Senators who voted "No" represent 181.8 million Americans.
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BJ is copying his memes from Leonard Hofstadter now...

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I haven't heard anyone complain about how Gorsuch has acted.
Yet all but 3 Democrats voted against his nomination.
And for all practical purposes, every Republican in the Senate voted against Merrick Garland before ever hearing from him.
Mitch McConnell and the 11 Republican members of the Senate Judiciary Committee made the decision not to vote on his nomination. The other 42 Republican Senators at the time had nothing to do with it.

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The Democrats feared that his decisions wouldn't be in the mainstream of current liberal judicial philosophy and they are arguably correct in that.
Fixed it for ya!

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They didn't bring any allegations of sexual assault or things of that nature because Gorsuch, unlike Kavanaugh, did not have anything of that nature in his background.
Kavanaugh didn't either, until he made Trump's short list for SC.

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Your list doesn't include a single instance where Trump incited violence. In one of the eight "examples," he suggested that, if people see someone preparing an assault, they might "knock the crap out of them." That's defensive.

None of the others have anything to do with inciting future violence. One of the sections even cuts the actual quote short, removing where he specifically says, "DON'T."
Trump often, but not always, semi-sort-of-kind-of walks back his statements at a later point, usually in a tone of voice or accompanied by gestures that indicate to everyone what his real feelings are. That gives literalist commentators the cover they need to say that Trump really wasn't advocating violence while stirring up his followers in exactly the way he intends.
The article was presented as a list of 8 times that Trump incited violence among his followers. It was composed of the original allegedly incendiary comments, NOT semi-sort-of-kind-of walk-backs. Snopes confirmed the quotes, but DID NOT say they had incited any violence.

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The similarities between Trump's rallies and Hitler's early rally speeches are startling.
I didn't know you're THAT old, or that you understand German.

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I would think you had the intelligence to realize this. So, either you're one of Trump's rubes or you're cynical enough not to care.
For someone who sees himself as all-knowing and mind-reading, these are the ONLY 2 possibilities of which you can conceive? I guess you're nowhere near as smart as you think you are.

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That gives literalist commentators the cover they need to say that Trump really wasn't advocating violence while stirring up his followers in exactly the way he intends.
So, all of a sudden, Trump is no longer an absolute moron, rather, he's some sophisticated code-talker? Who knew?

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