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In 2014 (on page 4), the CBO projected that under the Affordable Care Act there would be approximately 29 million uninsured Americans by 2018, down from 42 million in 2014. It turns out (page 2, Table 1), that the CBO was absolutely right. --Bob

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

Wow. That is freakin' amazing. Does it tell us how many of the now insured were uninsured because they didn't want be and now the only reason they are is because the are being forced to or they will be fined by the IRS?

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I don't know how many of those people were planning to stiff their doctors, or impose their costs on those of us who are financially responsible if they ever needed care. But I really don't have any sympathy for them, because they were shifting the costs of their medical care to me, making my coverage more expensive. And of course, this year no one has to worry about being assessed an additional tax by the IRS because of the individual mandate -- that's one of the ways Donny and his Republican enablers tried (with only limited success so far) to break the system. --Bob

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

On the other hand, I have a lot of sympathy for people who have pre-existing conditions, and were previously unable to get insurance at an affordable price, or at any price at all. And I have a lot of sympathy for people who wanted insurance but couldn't afford it because they didn't earn enough money. We've taken care of those groups, and at a price considerably less than the cost of Donny's tax cut for himself and his buddies. --Bob

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

and what good is this insurance these people have been forced to buy when they can't afford the co-pays and deductibles.

but hey, we made a bunch a people feel good about themselves for ramming this down the throats of the people who didn't want it.

So what's your solution? Let them die?

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Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.

Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.

Well, if they can't afford the co-pays and deductibles then how are they going to afford the full cost of medical treatment for a life-threatening condition without insurance?

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Not everything is a life threatening condition. Much if not most of what people see a doctor for are not life threatening conditions. And I'd wager that most life threatening conditions are self-inflicted and requiring society to share the burden for those is morally wrong.

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don't you EVER pretend to act like you have any fucking idea what it's like to be poor, you don't have that right.

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having the insurance does not give you access to quality medical care, especially when you can't pay the co-pays and deductibles. I've been homeless three times, and have had Cadillac insurance but couldn't use it because I didn't have the money for the co-pays and deductibles.

Forcing poor people to pay for insurance they can't afford, and don't have the money to use doesn't make things better for them, it makes things worse because now they don't have the money they paid for the premiums to keep the lights on, put gas in the car to get to work, or here's a really wild concept--eat!

First, there are hardship exemptions available for those with minimal incomes so they aren't forced to pay for insurance. Second, many lower income individuals will get coverage through Medicaid, at least in the 31 states that have expanded Medicaid to cover them.

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Obamacare tried to avoid these situations with income-based subsidies, and preventive care with no co-pay. Obviously it doesn't always work. Some states like New Jersey are trying to fix Obamacare's problems locally. Congress should see what ideas work and adopt them nationwide, instead of throwing Obamacare away and replacing it with nothing (Republicans) or single payer (Democrats).

But if the uninsured need health care, don't they go to the emergency room of the local hospital, which can't turn them away for inability to pay? In that case, who picks up the tab for their medical care? The taxpayer. Meaning that those of us who can afford insurance are not only paying for our own health care but are forced to pay the costs for the uninsured. Is that fair?

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Poor people are eligible for Medicaid, which I understand to be free to the policyholder. I’ve gotta believe that someone who’s homeless is eligible, except maybe for those states (all controlled by Republicans) that refused to expand Medicaid, which they could only do because five conservative Justices invented a new doctrine to reach the conclusion that they didn’t have to. Many others are eligible for subsidies by purchasing through exchanges. —Bob

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

Those damn republicans. They want everyone to die. How can decent people live on the same planet with 'em? Monkeys, every one of them.

When they refused to expand Medicaid, they put people’s lives at risk to advance a political ideology. That’s indefensible. —Bob

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"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." Thomas Jefferson

Wow.

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Just curious, what part are you "wow"ing at?

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No, just the sick ones apparently. At least some of those House and Senate dwellers, judging by the proposals they originally came up with to eliminate Obamacare. Cheap, ultimately insufficient coverage for healthy folks, high risks and pre-existing conditioned people faced with non-affordable premiums and not getting the care they need, in worse case scenarios resulting in loss of life. But hey, survival of the fittest. If they are like to die, then they should do it, and decrease the surplus population.

Scrooge would fit right in with some of those dudes.

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The "self-inflicted" part. I realize you said "most", but to me, "most" is still off-base.

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We could debate that but smoking, obesity, lack of exercise, poor diet, and drug use are pretty much all self-inflicted and probably are the main contributing factors in most life threatening medical conditions for folks under 65 or 70. There are some minor exceptions for obesity and poor diet being self-inflicted.

Maybe I'd lose that wager, but how about saying a large portion of life threatening conditions?

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Do you EVER pretend to know my life history. Apart from that, my daughter and her two daughters are barely making it and can't afford copays and deductibles.

I'm in favor of a single-payer system. What would you like to see?

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I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)

Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.

Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.

Like I first asked, how many are being forced to pay for insurance that they can't afford to use--the stats aren't showing that because the politicians don't care about it.

so, how many times have you been homeless?

how many times have you gone without food?