Speaker of the House fun
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:21 pm
This should be entertaining...
You don't think upstarts will have a say?Bob78164 wrote:I think it'll be boring. I think the Democrats will end up with a big enough majority (it looks like they're on track to end up with 230 or 231 seats after all the uncalled races are decided) that Rep. Pelosi will be able to let all of the Democrats who campaigned saying that they won't support her for Speaker keep their promises. And in addition to being a prodigious fundraiser, she's also an extremely accomplished tactician on the House floor, which means she gets stuff done. I think most of her caucus knows and appreciates that. --Bob
It's not clear that anyone else in the caucus will run against her, but someone probably will. The upstarts and new members will have a say, but they'll get outvoted in the caucus. After that, Rep. Pelosi is smart enough to give as many Democrats as she can afford a pass to vote for someone else for Speaker on the floor. But at the end of the day, at least 218 Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee for Speaker and that nominee will, in all likelihood, be the once and future Speaker, Nancy Pelosi. --BobBeebs52 wrote:You don't think upstarts will have a say?Bob78164 wrote:I think it'll be boring. I think the Democrats will end up with a big enough majority (it looks like they're on track to end up with 230 or 231 seats after all the uncalled races are decided) that Rep. Pelosi will be able to let all of the Democrats who campaigned saying that they won't support her for Speaker keep their promises. And in addition to being a prodigious fundraiser, she's also an extremely accomplished tactician on the House floor, which means she gets stuff done. I think most of her caucus knows and appreciates that. --Bob
I need to amend this a bit. It turns out that the successful candidate needs a majority of votes cast, not a majority of the entire House. So as long as Democrats end up with at least 229 seats (leaving Republicans with 206), all 21 Democrats who said they wouldn't vote for Pelosi (some of whom only said they wouldn't vote for her for party leader) could vote "present" on the floor and she'd still be elected Speaker. So she'll release as many votes as she can afford, but at the end of the day, enough Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee for Speaker, who I expect will be Rep. Pelosi, to give her a majority of votes cast, which might be fewer than 218. --BobBob78164 wrote:It's not clear that anyone else in the caucus will run against her, but someone probably will. The upstarts and new members will have a say, but they'll get outvoted in the caucus. After that, Rep. Pelosi is smart enough to give as many Democrats as she can afford a pass to vote for someone else for Speaker on the floor. But at the end of the day, at least 218 Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee for Speaker and that nominee will, in all likelihood, be the once and future Speaker, Nancy Pelosi. --BobBeebs52 wrote:You don't think upstarts will have a say?Bob78164 wrote:I think it'll be boring. I think the Democrats will end up with a big enough majority (it looks like they're on track to end up with 230 or 231 seats after all the uncalled races are decided) that Rep. Pelosi will be able to let all of the Democrats who campaigned saying that they won't support her for Speaker keep their promises. And in addition to being a prodigious fundraiser, she's also an extremely accomplished tactician on the House floor, which means she gets stuff done. I think most of her caucus knows and appreciates that. --Bob
I expect there may be a deal struck where Pelosi is elected Speaker with the promise she'll step down after one term. (even if the Democrats still hold the House majority in 2020)Bob78164 wrote:I need to amend this a bit. It turns out that the successful candidate needs a majority of votes cast, not a majority of the entire House. So as long as Democrats end up with at least 229 seats (leaving Republicans with 206), all 21 Democrats who said they wouldn't vote for Pelosi (some of whom only said they wouldn't vote for her for party leader) could vote "present" on the floor and she'd still be elected Speaker. So she'll release as many votes as she can afford, but at the end of the day, enough Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee for Speaker, who I expect will be Rep. Pelosi, to give her a majority of votes cast, which might be fewer than 218. --BobBob78164 wrote:It's not clear that anyone else in the caucus will run against her, but someone probably will. The upstarts and new members will have a say, but they'll get outvoted in the caucus. After that, Rep. Pelosi is smart enough to give as many Democrats as she can afford a pass to vote for someone else for Speaker on the floor. But at the end of the day, at least 218 Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee for Speaker and that nominee will, in all likelihood, be the once and future Speaker, Nancy Pelosi. --BobBeebs52 wrote:
You don't think upstarts will have a say?
She's pretty much already said that's what she plans. --Bobbazodee wrote:I expect there may be a deal struck where Pelosi is elected Speaker with the promise she'll step down after one term. (even if the Democrats still hold the House majority in 2020)Bob78164 wrote:I need to amend this a bit. It turns out that the successful candidate needs a majority of votes cast, not a majority of the entire House. So as long as Democrats end up with at least 229 seats (leaving Republicans with 206), all 21 Democrats who said they wouldn't vote for Pelosi (some of whom only said they wouldn't vote for her for party leader) could vote "present" on the floor and she'd still be elected Speaker. So she'll release as many votes as she can afford, but at the end of the day, enough Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee for Speaker, who I expect will be Rep. Pelosi, to give her a majority of votes cast, which might be fewer than 218. --BobBob78164 wrote:It's not clear that anyone else in the caucus will run against her, but someone probably will. The upstarts and new members will have a say, but they'll get outvoted in the caucus. After that, Rep. Pelosi is smart enough to give as many Democrats as she can afford a pass to vote for someone else for Speaker on the floor. But at the end of the day, at least 218 Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee for Speaker and that nominee will, in all likelihood, be the once and future Speaker, Nancy Pelosi. --Bob
Frankly I wish she'd step down now. Give a younger generation a chance.Bob78164 wrote:She's pretty much already said that's what she plans. --Bobbazodee wrote:I expect there may be a deal struck where Pelosi is elected Speaker with the promise she'll step down after one term. (even if the Democrats still hold the House majority in 2020)Bob78164 wrote:I need to amend this a bit. It turns out that the successful candidate needs a majority of votes cast, not a majority of the entire House. So as long as Democrats end up with at least 229 seats (leaving Republicans with 206), all 21 Democrats who said they wouldn't vote for Pelosi (some of whom only said they wouldn't vote for her for party leader) could vote "present" on the floor and she'd still be elected Speaker. So she'll release as many votes as she can afford, but at the end of the day, enough Democrats will vote for the Democratic nominee for Speaker, who I expect will be Rep. Pelosi, to give her a majority of votes cast, which might be fewer than 218. --Bob
Marcia Fudge has made some waves over the past couple of days about challenging for the speakership. If I were a Democratic congresscritter, I would vote for Fudge... but I'm a little biased with my vote because she's from my home state.earendel wrote:Frankly I wish she'd step down now. Give a younger generation a chance.Bob78164 wrote:She's pretty much already said that's what she plans. --Bobbazodee wrote:
I expect there may be a deal struck where Pelosi is elected Speaker with the promise she'll step down after one term. (even if the Democrats still hold the House majority in 2020)
Taking over the House after a decade is not something you want to turn over to someone with no experience, especially when you'll have to deal with a combative Donald Trump every day.earendel wrote: Frankly I wish she'd step down now. Give a younger generation a chance.
The Dems took the house as a result of the anti-Trump mania. The Dems have nothing to campaign on other than socialism and welfare. I guess that could also be part of the reasons as this country has become more of a "do it for me" land rather than "no thanks I'll do it for myself" type of mentality.silverscreenselect wrote:Taking over the House after a decade is not something you want to turn over to someone with no experience, especially when you'll have to deal with a combative Donald Trump every day.earendel wrote: Frankly I wish she'd step down now. Give a younger generation a chance.
I don't think a lot of people realize how important Pelosi was to the Democratic efforts to regain the House. She got portrayed as the villain in every Republican commercial (_____ is a Nancy Pelosi puppet wanting to bring the liberal agenda to your district), but she was largely responsible for crafting the Democratic pitch to emphasize health care and the issues the Democrats are strongest on, rather than just make the entire election about Trump. The voters already knew about Trump so the Democrats didn't need to remind them. Instead, Pelosi made sure that the voters had something to vote for, rather than merely someone to vote against. Without this type of messaging, it's questionable if the Democrats retake the House.
You just go ahead and continue blaming the voters instead of the message Republicans were trying to sell. As the California Republican Party has realized too late, that's a pretty good recipe for electoral oblivion. Think about it. The Governor-elect of Kansas, of all places, is a Democrat.BackInTex wrote:The Dems took the house as a result of the anti-Trump mania. The Dems have nothing to campaign on other than socialism and welfare. I guess that could also be part of the reasons as this country has become more of a "do it for me" land rather than "no thanks I'll do it for myself" type of mentality.silverscreenselect wrote:Taking over the House after a decade is not something you want to turn over to someone with no experience, especially when you'll have to deal with a combative Donald Trump every day.earendel wrote: Frankly I wish she'd step down now. Give a younger generation a chance.
I don't think a lot of people realize how important Pelosi was to the Democratic efforts to regain the House. She got portrayed as the villain in every Republican commercial (_____ is a Nancy Pelosi puppet wanting to bring the liberal agenda to your district), but she was largely responsible for crafting the Democratic pitch to emphasize health care and the issues the Democrats are strongest on, rather than just make the entire election about Trump. The voters already knew about Trump so the Democrats didn't need to remind them. Instead, Pelosi made sure that the voters had something to vote for, rather than merely someone to vote against. Without this type of messaging, it's questionable if the Democrats retake the House.
Why do the parts of the country with the highest percentage of people on welfare have a majority of registered Republicans?BackInTex wrote:The Dems took the house as a result of the anti-Trump mania. The Dems have nothing to campaign on other than socialism and welfare. I guess that could also be part of the reasons as this country has become more of a "do it for me" land rather than "no thanks I'll do it for myself" type of mentality.silverscreenselect wrote:Taking over the House after a decade is not something you want to turn over to someone with no experience, especially when you'll have to deal with a combative Donald Trump every day.earendel wrote: Frankly I wish she'd step down now. Give a younger generation a chance.
I don't think a lot of people realize how important Pelosi was to the Democratic efforts to regain the House. She got portrayed as the villain in every Republican commercial (_____ is a Nancy Pelosi puppet wanting to bring the liberal agenda to your district), but she was largely responsible for crafting the Democratic pitch to emphasize health care and the issues the Democrats are strongest on, rather than just make the entire election about Trump. The voters already knew about Trump so the Democrats didn't need to remind them. Instead, Pelosi made sure that the voters had something to vote for, rather than merely someone to vote against. Without this type of messaging, it's questionable if the Democrats retake the House.
Because it's all the fault of illegal immigrants and Islamic terrorists.Bob Juch wrote:
Why do the parts of the country with the highest percentage of people on welfare have a majority of registered Republicans?
Where is the support for your assertion?Bob Juch wrote:Why do the parts of the country with the highest percentage of people on welfare have a majority of registered Republicans?BackInTex wrote:The Dems took the house as a result of the anti-Trump mania. The Dems have nothing to campaign on other than socialism and welfare. I guess that could also be part of the reasons as this country has become more of a "do it for me" land rather than "no thanks I'll do it for myself" type of mentality.silverscreenselect wrote:
Taking over the House after a decade is not something you want to turn over to someone with no experience, especially when you'll have to deal with a combative Donald Trump every day.
I don't think a lot of people realize how important Pelosi was to the Democratic efforts to regain the House. She got portrayed as the villain in every Republican commercial (_____ is a Nancy Pelosi puppet wanting to bring the liberal agenda to your district), but she was largely responsible for crafting the Democratic pitch to emphasize health care and the issues the Democrats are strongest on, rather than just make the entire election about Trump. The voters already knew about Trump so the Democrats didn't need to remind them. Instead, Pelosi made sure that the voters had something to vote for, rather than merely someone to vote against. Without this type of messaging, it's questionable if the Democrats retake the House.
Here's welfare spendingBackInTex wrote:Where is the support for your assertion?Bob Juch wrote:Why do the parts of the country with the highest percentage of people on welfare have a majority of registered Republicans?BackInTex wrote:
The Dems took the house as a result of the anti-Trump mania. The Dems have nothing to campaign on other than socialism and welfare. I guess that could also be part of the reasons as this country has become more of a "do it for me" land rather than "no thanks I'll do it for myself" type of mentality.
Need it by county.Beebs52 wrote:Here's welfare spendingBackInTex wrote:Where is the support for your assertion?Bob Juch wrote: Why do the parts of the country with the highest percentage of people on welfare have a majority of registered Republicans?
https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/co ... g_2017b40a
Note the 3 highest. Watching football. County iis beyond me nowBackInTex wrote:Need it by county.Beebs52 wrote:Here's welfare spendingBackInTex wrote:
Where is the support for your assertion?
https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/co ... g_2017b40a
Note the bottom of the table. All of the red numbers are "guesstimated." --BobBeebs52 wrote:Note the 3 highest. Watching football. County iis beyond me nowBackInTex wrote:Need it by county.