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My understanding is that a lot of the outstanding vote is in Maricopa County, which has pockets of bright red as well as pockets of bright blue. So just knowing which county the remaining vote is coming from isn't enough. --BobBob Juch wrote:By about 2000 votes and they're still counting in Democratic-leaning counties.
It's over 9000 now. A lot are from here in bright blue Pima.Bob78164 wrote:My understanding is that a lot of the outstanding vote is in Maricopa County, which has pockets of bright red as well as pockets of bright blue. So just knowing which county the remaining vote is coming from isn't enough. --BobBob Juch wrote:By about 2000 votes and they're still counting in Democratic-leaning counties.
Pima County has voted 46,000 more for Sinema so far.Bob Juch wrote:It's over 9000 now. A lot are from here in bright blue Pima.Bob78164 wrote:My understanding is that a lot of the outstanding vote is in Maricopa County, which has pockets of bright red as well as pockets of bright blue. So just knowing which county the remaining vote is coming from isn't enough. --BobBob Juch wrote:By about 2000 votes and they're still counting in Democratic-leaning counties.
Could be something else, especially since it's a mail-in state. When the polls closed, our county had 557 outstanding ballots. 214 were overseas/military, and they get an extra week for mailing. 38 were provisional, made necessary by the County's internet failing. Rather than make the people wait at the polls to confirm their eligibility (you have to option of voting at the polls if you don't want to mail it in), they were allowed to cast a provisional ballot. And 305 will require a "cure." Most of those were signature discrepancies -- people forgot to sign the envelope, or they changed their name but forgot to change their voter registration, stuff like that. They're notified and have a week to cure the problem. The cure and overseas/military deadline is Nov. 14 -- after that, it's too late and doesn't get counted. Those 557 votes make a difference in two races in my county, and it looks like the votes coming in will widen the lead in one case and flip it in the other. All the other races have more than a 557 vote difference.BackInTex wrote:3 days after the election and they still don’t have all the votes counted.
Either someone is manipulating the ballots or very incompetent or both.
It takes a while to count hundreds of thousands of mail-in ballots. Here in California there are millions and counting won’t be done for weeks. Particularly since they get counted if they were postmarked by Tuesday and received by today. Hell, it takes a while just to open and verify the ballots.BackInTex wrote:3 days after the election and they still don’t have all the votes counted.
Either someone is manipulating the ballots or very incompetent or both.
A lot of these ballots that are uncounted are provisional ballots from voters who have run afoul of a state's restrictive voter ID laws (especially in Florida and here in Georgia). Republicans like to claim they aren't trying to disenfranchise minority voters but now that a situation like this occurs when these ballots might decide a key race, they are screaming about voter fraud.BackInTex wrote:3 days after the election and they still don’t have all the votes counted.
Either someone is manipulating the ballots or very incompetent or both.
They still have over 400,000 ballots to count. 75% of the ballots are mailed-in. The problem is verifying the signatures.BackInTex wrote:3 days after the election and they still don’t have all the votes counted.
Either someone is manipulating the ballots or very incompetent or both.
And when you say "problem," I think you mean that is why the process takes as long as it takes. It has to be done by hand 400,000 times. I'm guessing BiT would not like them to skip that part of the process.Bob Juch wrote:They still have over 400,000 ballots to count. 75% of the ballots are mailed-in. The problem is verifying the signatures.BackInTex wrote:3 days after the election and they still don’t have all the votes counted.
Either someone is manipulating the ballots or very incompetent or both.
This seems to be a problem in a lot of big states. It just doesn't get much attention unless a key race is very close.BackInTex wrote:3 days after the election and they still don’t have all the votes counted.
Either someone is manipulating the ballots or very incompetent or both.
Like Brenda Snipes?silverscreenselect wrote:A lot of these ballots that are uncounted are provisional ballots from voters who have run afoul of a state's restrictive voter ID laws (especially in Florida and here in Georgia). Republicans like to claim they aren't trying to disenfranchise minority voters but now that a situation like this occurs when these ballots might decide a key race, they are screaming about voter fraud.BackInTex wrote:3 days after the election and they still don’t have all the votes counted.
Either someone is manipulating the ballots or very incompetent or both.
If the secretaries of state (who usually oversee state elections) would actually do their job instead of trying to deter Democrats from voting, a lot of these snafus wouldn't happen. They don't like spending money on up-to-date voting machines (a big delay in Georgia was caused by malfunctioning machines) or providing adequate numbers of voting locations in minority areas, and it always seems to be a mere coincidence that these officials just happen to be Republicans.
I have to give Rep. McSally props for standing up to the pressure the Republican Party was imposing to get her to toss around unfounded accusations of impropriety in the vote-counting process. I'm guessing that Gov. Ducey will appoint her to Senator Kyl's seat when he resigns, as he said he planned to do before the end of the year. That will give her seniority over Senator-elect Sinema and the other newly elected Senators. --BobBob Juch wrote:Martha McSally has conceded.
Bob's prediction was right. Meghan McCain has tweeted her approval. Like Kyl, McSally is a mainstream Republican who's well liked in Arizona.Bob78164 wrote:I'm guessing that Gov. Ducey will appoint her to Senator Kyl's seat when he resigns.
Seniority only really matters in comparison with Senators of the same party, since each party determines its own assignments. So, what matters is that she's got a leg up on Rick Scott and other newly elected Republicans. Also that she will have the advantage of incumbency, for what it's worth, in the 2020 special election. Unlike some states, McSally will serve until the 2020 general election. If McCain had resigned his seat before the end of May this year, then the special election would have taken place this year.Bob78164 wrote: That will give her seniority over Senator-elect Sinema and the other newly elected Senators. --Bob
According to 538, the incumbency advantage really isn't worth that much for appointed senators. Her case may be a little different, though, since she just ran for the office and nearly won. --Bobsilverscreenselect wrote:Seniority only really matters in comparison with Senators of the same party, since each party determines its own assignments. So, what matters is that she's got a leg up on Rick Scott and other newly elected Republicans. Also that she will have the advantage of incumbency, for what it's worth, in the 2020 special election. Unlike some states, McSally will serve until the 2020 general election. If McCain had resigned his seat before the end of May this year, then the special election would have taken place this year.Bob78164 wrote: That will give her seniority over Senator-elect Sinema and the other newly elected Senators. --Bob
Sinema will be sworn in first so she will be the senior Senator.Bob78164 wrote:According to 538, the incumbency advantage really isn't worth that much for appointed senators. Her case may be a little different, though, since she just ran for the office and nearly won. --Bobsilverscreenselect wrote:Seniority only really matters in comparison with Senators of the same party, since each party determines its own assignments. So, what matters is that she's got a leg up on Rick Scott and other newly elected Republicans. Also that she will have the advantage of incumbency, for what it's worth, in the 2020 special election. Unlike some states, McSally will serve until the 2020 general election. If McCain had resigned his seat before the end of May this year, then the special election would have taken place this year.Bob78164 wrote: That will give her seniority over Senator-elect Sinema and the other newly elected Senators. --Bob
That's not clear to me. Kyl's resignation will be effective December 31. --BobBob Juch wrote:Sinema will be sworn in first so she will be the senior Senator.Bob78164 wrote:According to 538, the incumbency advantage really isn't worth that much for appointed senators. Her case may be a little different, though, since she just ran for the office and nearly won. --Bobsilverscreenselect wrote:
Seniority only really matters in comparison with Senators of the same party, since each party determines its own assignments. So, what matters is that she's got a leg up on Rick Scott and other newly elected Republicans. Also that she will have the advantage of incumbency, for what it's worth, in the 2020 special election. Unlike some states, McSally will serve until the 2020 general election. If McCain had resigned his seat before the end of May this year, then the special election would have taken place this year.
Sinema will be sworn in first.Bob78164 wrote:That's not clear to me. Kyl's resignation will be effective December 31. --BobBob Juch wrote:Sinema will be sworn in first so she will be the senior Senator.Bob78164 wrote:According to 538, the incumbency advantage really isn't worth that much for appointed senators. Her case may be a little different, though, since she just ran for the office and nearly won. --Bob
That's what you said last time. How do you know this? --BobBob Juch wrote:Sinema will be sworn in first.Bob78164 wrote:That's not clear to me. Kyl's resignation will be effective December 31. --BobBob Juch wrote: Sinema will be sworn in first so she will be the senior Senator.
Gee, Mr. I-do-my-own-research-and-then-decide, here's what I found in 5 seconds.Bob78164 wrote:That's what you said last time. How do you know this?Bob Juch wrote:Sinema will be sworn in first.Bob78164 wrote:That's not clear to me. Kyl's resignation will be effective December 31.