$5.7 billion for 234 miles of wall
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:05 pm
One thing being overlooked in the fuss over the wall is how short the requested wall is. $25 million per mile is absolutely ridiculous!
I'm not sure "just give him what he wants" is a good principle or a good precedent for ANY President.flockofseagulls104 wrote:Whether it works or not, Schumer and Pelosi should give him the money he wants. If it works, fine, money well spent. If it doesn't, it's not like they haven't wasted 5 billion before.
I don't recall President Clinton or (either) President Bush wanting money to build a wall in the middle of a freakin' desert, which is what Donny's talking about. That's why every single Congressman who represents any land on the border (including Rep. Will Hurd (R-TX), who represents more of the border by length than any other Member of the House) opposes the wall. --BobBeebs52 wrote:Let's say dollars are disputable. Were you against Clinton's wall or Bush's when they were happenin? Just curious if it's just a Trump thing.
I'm not sure 'not a penny for the wall' is a good principle either. Especially just a few years ago, all these idiots voted for $25 billion for a barrier.franktangredi wrote:I'm not sure "just give him what he wants" is a good principle or a good precedent for ANY President.flockofseagulls104 wrote:Whether it works or not, Schumer and Pelosi should give him the money he wants. If it works, fine, money well spent. If it doesn't, it's not like they haven't wasted 5 billion before.
The border protections that some of the Democrats supported were based on need and terrain (and were also a compromise based on some much harsher alternative proposed legislation) and not the type of Great Wall of China that Trump envisions. And as anyone who knows about the border will tell you, it's already riddled with tunnels in the San Diego and El Paso areas where they run drugs through there.flockofseagulls104 wrote:I'm not sure 'not a penny for the wall' is a good principle either. Especially just a few years ago, all these idiots voted for $25 billion for a barrier.franktangredi wrote:I'm not sure "just give him what he wants" is a good principle or a good precedent for ANY President.flockofseagulls104 wrote:Whether it works or not, Schumer and Pelosi should give him the money he wants. If it works, fine, money well spent. If it doesn't, it's not like they haven't wasted 5 billion before.
Evidence:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/02/cl ... -2006-not/
Let's not forget all the food inspections that are no longer happening due to the shutdown. If there's an outbreak of food-borne illness soon, it'll be squarely on Donny's shoulders. --Bobsilverscreenselect wrote:The border protections that some of the Democrats supported were based on need and terrain (and were also a compromise based on some much harsher alternative proposed legislation) and not the type of Great Wall of China that Trump envisions. And as anyone who knows about the border will tell you, it's already riddled with tunnels in the San Diego and El Paso areas where they run drugs through there.flockofseagulls104 wrote:I'm not sure 'not a penny for the wall' is a good principle either. Especially just a few years ago, all these idiots voted for $25 billion for a barrier.franktangredi wrote:
I'm not sure "just give him what he wants" is a good principle or a good precedent for ANY President.
Evidence:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/02/cl ... -2006-not/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... wall-2006/
Trump's wall isn't about security; it's all about his ego, as he demonstrated when he stormed out of the meeting today. If he was concerned about security, he would worry more about the damage he's causing by the shutdown in terms of air traffic safety and also existing border patrols, both of which are being harmed considerably by what's going on.
The USDA inspectors are still working, they just aren't getting paid.Bob78164 wrote:Let's not forget all the food inspections that are no longer happening due to the shutdown. If there's an outbreak of food-borne illness soon, it'll be squarely on Donny's shoulders. --Bobsilverscreenselect wrote:The border protections that some of the Democrats supported were based on need and terrain (and were also a compromise based on some much harsher alternative proposed legislation) and not the type of Great Wall of China that Trump envisions. And as anyone who knows about the border will tell you, it's already riddled with tunnels in the San Diego and El Paso areas where they run drugs through there.flockofseagulls104 wrote: I'm not sure 'not a penny for the wall' is a good principle either. Especially just a few years ago, all these idiots voted for $25 billion for a barrier.
Evidence:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/02/cl ... -2006-not/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... wall-2006/
Trump's wall isn't about security; it's all about his ego, as he demonstrated when he stormed out of the meeting today. If he was concerned about security, he would worry more about the damage he's causing by the shutdown in terms of air traffic safety and also existing border patrols, both of which are being harmed considerably by what's going on.
No. It will be squarely on the shoulders of those who will not approve what they've previously voted for and/or lobbied for, but won't now for the single reason that it will give Trump a "win".Bob78164 wrote: If there's an outbreak of food-borne illness soon, it'll be squarely on Donny's shoulders. --Bob
False. It's the Republican Senate that is refusing even to consider a bill that it unanimously passed less than a month ago, merely because Donny doesn't like it any more. And Democrats have never voted for or lobbied for a wall in the middle of a fucking desert because no one before Donny has ever been stupid enough to ask for one.BackInTex wrote:No. It will be squarely on the shoulders of those who will not approve what they've previously voted for and/or lobbied for, but won't now for the single reason that it will give Trump a "win".Bob78164 wrote: If there's an outbreak of food-borne illness soon, it'll be squarely on Donny's shoulders. --Bob
They rate it 'half true' because the dems voted for a less substantial wall? What? It's ok to them as long as it's not too much of a barrier?silverscreenselect wrote:The border protections that some of the Democrats supported were based on need and terrain (and were also a compromise based on some much harsher alternative proposed legislation) and not the type of Great Wall of China that Trump envisions. And as anyone who knows about the border will tell you, it's already riddled with tunnels in the San Diego and El Paso areas where they run drugs through there.flockofseagulls104 wrote:I'm not sure 'not a penny for the wall' is a good principle either. Especially just a few years ago, all these idiots voted for $25 billion for a barrier.franktangredi wrote:
I'm not sure "just give him what he wants" is a good principle or a good precedent for ANY President.
Evidence:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/02/cl ... -2006-not/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... wall-2006/
Trump's wall isn't about security; it's all about his ego, as he demonstrated when he stormed out of the meeting today. If he was concerned about security, he would worry more about the damage he's causing by the shutdown in terms of air traffic safety and also existing border patrols, both of which are being harmed considerably by what's going on.
How are just 234 miles of wall going to be effective?flockofseagulls104 wrote:They rate it 'half true' because the dems voted for a less substantial wall? What? It's ok to them as long as it's not too much of a barrier?silverscreenselect wrote:The border protections that some of the Democrats supported were based on need and terrain (and were also a compromise based on some much harsher alternative proposed legislation) and not the type of Great Wall of China that Trump envisions. And as anyone who knows about the border will tell you, it's already riddled with tunnels in the San Diego and El Paso areas where they run drugs through there.flockofseagulls104 wrote: I'm not sure 'not a penny for the wall' is a good principle either. Especially just a few years ago, all these idiots voted for $25 billion for a barrier.
Evidence:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/02/cl ... -2006-not/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... wall-2006/
Trump's wall isn't about security; it's all about his ego, as he demonstrated when he stormed out of the meeting today. If he was concerned about security, he would worry more about the damage he's causing by the shutdown in terms of air traffic safety and also existing border patrols, both of which are being harmed considerably by what's going on.
Trump has scaled down what he wants to build, and it's based on what experts and the border security people say will be effective.
It's all about TDS. You have a very severe case of it.
Bull. No one with any expertise on the subject, or the ability to think independently, thinks it will be effective. Indeed, merely by claiming the wall will be effective, any purported expert would cast serious doubt on his or her expertise.flockofseagulls104 wrote:They rate it 'half true' because the dems voted for a less substantial wall? What? It's ok to them as long as it's not too much of a barrier?silverscreenselect wrote:The border protections that some of the Democrats supported were based on need and terrain (and were also a compromise based on some much harsher alternative proposed legislation) and not the type of Great Wall of China that Trump envisions. And as anyone who knows about the border will tell you, it's already riddled with tunnels in the San Diego and El Paso areas where they run drugs through there.flockofseagulls104 wrote: I'm not sure 'not a penny for the wall' is a good principle either. Especially just a few years ago, all these idiots voted for $25 billion for a barrier.
Evidence:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/01/02/cl ... -2006-not/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-mete ... wall-2006/
Trump's wall isn't about security; it's all about his ego, as he demonstrated when he stormed out of the meeting today. If he was concerned about security, he would worry more about the damage he's causing by the shutdown in terms of air traffic safety and also existing border patrols, both of which are being harmed considerably by what's going on.
Trump has scaled down what he wants to build, and it's based on what experts and the border security people say will be effective.
It's all about TDS. You have a very severe case of it.
You've mentioned the middle of a fucking desert at least twice now. Why is the desert a bad place to build a border wall, but a great place to build a no-longer-as-promised bullet train from nowhere to nowhere?Bob78164 wrote:And Democrats have never voted for or lobbied for a wall in the middle of a fucking desert because no one before Donny has ever been stupid enough to ask for one.
Cite?Bob78164 wrote:... why a clear majority of the American people oppose wasting money on the wall.
I see you're running for King of Whataboutistan too.Estonut wrote:You've mentioned the middle of a fucking desert at least twice now. Why is the desert a bad place to build a border wall, but a great place to build a no-longer-as-promised bullet train from nowhere to nowhere?Bob78164 wrote:And Democrats have never voted for or lobbied for a wall in the middle of a fucking desert because no one before Donny has ever been stupid enough to ask for one.
I see you're the King of Moronistan for life. Learn a new word, or at least learn what that one means.Bob Juch wrote:I see you're running for King of Whataboutistan too.Estonut wrote:You've mentioned the middle of a fucking desert at least twice now. Why is the desert a bad place to build a border wall, but a great place to build a no-longer-as-promised bullet train from nowhere to nowhere?Bob78164 wrote:And Democrats have never voted for or lobbied for a wall in the middle of a fucking desert because no one before Donny has ever been stupid enough to ask for one.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/08/poli ... index.htmlEstonut wrote:Cite?Bob78164 wrote:... why a clear majority of the American people oppose wasting money on the wall.
But Trump is facing an uphill climb: polls show a majority of Americans blame him and Republicans for the shutdowns, and the majority have also consistently been opposed to his idea of a border wall with Mexico.
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration ... to-believesilverscreenselect wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/08/poli ... index.htmlEstonut wrote:Cite?Bob78164 wrote:... why a clear majority of the American people oppose wasting money on the wall.
Harry Enten does the political polling analysis for fivethirtyeight.com.
But Trump is facing an uphill climb: polls show a majority of Americans blame him and Republicans for the shutdowns, and the majority have also consistently been opposed to his idea of a border wall with Mexico.
I would have thought that it's obvious why it's stupid to build a wall in the middle of the desert. It's because people have plenty of time and privacy to do this.Estonut wrote:You've mentioned the middle of a fucking desert at least twice now. Why is the desert a bad place to build a border wall, but a great place to build a no-longer-as-promised bullet train from nowhere to nowhere?Bob78164 wrote:And Democrats have never voted for or lobbied for a wall in the middle of a fucking desert because no one before Donny has ever been stupid enough to ask for one.
Flock, your "source" is an article that's over a year old that takes issue with the sampling of one poll. The results of the recent election might lead you to question the reasons for that writer's skepticism. And Enten has been reviewing the trend of more recent polls on the subject.flockofseagulls104 wrote:https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration ... to-believesilverscreenselect wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/08/poli ... index.htmlEstonut wrote:Cite?
Harry Enten does the political polling analysis for fivethirtyeight.com.
But Trump is facing an uphill climb: polls show a majority of Americans blame him and Republicans for the shutdowns, and the majority have also consistently been opposed to his idea of a border wall with Mexico.
aSSShole, your "source" is bullshit, too. OK? The fact is: it's not a popularity poll issue. It's what the people of the border patrol say is necessary to control people coming into this country illegally. No amount of political grandstanding by Schumer and Pelosi will change that fact.silverscreenselect wrote:Flock, your "source" is an article that's over a year old that takes issue with the sampling of one poll. The results of the recent election might lead you to question the reasons for that writer's skepticism. And Enten has been reviewing the trend of more recent polls on the subject.flockofseagulls104 wrote:https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration ... to-believesilverscreenselect wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/08/poli ... index.html
Harry Enten does the political polling analysis for fivethirtyeight.com.
Perhaps you forgot that we live in democracy (or at least a democratic republic), not a third world military dictatorship. The border patrol does not make our policy. Our elected representatives do and right now Schumer and Pelosi are listening to the will of the people. Further, there is no consensus of opinion regarding the best method of border security, and, even if there was, it's up to Congress to prioritize what we spend money on. No amount of political grandstanding by you and Trump will change those facts.flockofseagulls104 wrote: OK? The fact is: it's not a popularity poll issue. It's what the people of the border patrol say is necessary to control people coming into this country illegally.
Here are some that don't: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-pat ... rder-wall/flockofseagulls104 wrote:aSSShole, your "source" is bullshit, too. OK? The fact is: it's not a popularity poll issue. It's what the people of the border patrol say is necessary to control people coming into this country illegally. No amount of political grandstanding by Schumer and Pelosi will change that fact.silverscreenselect wrote:Flock, your "source" is an article that's over a year old that takes issue with the sampling of one poll. The results of the recent election might lead you to question the reasons for that writer's skepticism. And Enten has been reviewing the trend of more recent polls on the subject.flockofseagulls104 wrote:
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration ... to-believe