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..the head of a 6 1/2 year-old in Amsterdam NY exploded:





At the start of the show, they performed All My Loving, Till There Was You, and She Loves You. They later closed the show with I Saw Her Standing There and I Want To Hold Your Hand. In between there were a lot of acts that were cursing their luck at being booked on the same show. Among them were Frank Gorshin, magician Fred Kaps, and "comedy duo" Charlie Brill and Mitzi McCall, who generated laughs that were significantly lower in volume than the screams generated by the Fab Four. It's a wonder the young ladies in the audience didn't force every other act off the stage...I doubt they were feeling much patience.

Also on the bill that night was future Monkee Davy Jones, who appeared with cast members from the Broadway production of Oliver. Davy had the role of the Artful Dodger.

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Having always had the Beatles in the world, it's hard for me to get my head around there being a time before them.

Like when people talk about the Cold War; it just doesn't fit my frame of the world.

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Having always had the Beatles in the world, it's hard for me to get my head around there being a time before them.

Like when people talk about the Cold War; it just doesn't fit my frame of the world.
Didn't the Cold War end in 1991 with the collapse of the Soviet Union?

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I mean when my 83-year-old roommate talks about walking the DEW line in Montana in 1955 to keep the Russians from coming in through Canada, that just sounds like another time.

Even in the 80s, it didn't seem like Russia was going to do anything I needed to worry about.

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Having always had the Beatles in the world, it's hard for me to get my head around there being a time before them.



We don't like to talk about those days :lol:


Seriously , though, it always ticks me off when someone..pretty much invariably someone born after or slightly before 1964...says something along the lines of "Oh, the Beatles are soooo overrated. They weren't as influential as people think, blahblahblah". First off, if someone doesn't like them, that's one thing. Everyone has their own tastes and that's cool. They certainly are free to like what they like, although I admit I usually have to repress my impulse to defend the honor of my beloved lads.

BUT...

When someone says they didn't have as much impact on music as they're given credit for (I know that doesn't reflect your opinion), it shows me that:

1-They simply weren't alive, or old enough yet, to experience firsthand the unprecedented dominance they were wielding on music and pop culture, fashion, even lifestyles. Most everyone for awhile was taking their cues from them.

2-They are unable to place the group's output in the context of what else was on the charts at the time they hit. Aside from Brian Wilson's growing compositional sophistication, Phil Spector's studio wizardry, and the groundbreaking sounds coming out of the Motown studio, what else came even close to the "kicking open the door" sound of "I Want To Hold Your Hand"? It was the sound of boundaries of musical possibilities being broken. The rest of the charts were dominated by teen idols and "safe", simple and largely forgettable, fluff. To me, there's no more perfect example of the drastic shift in the musical wind than to note what was number one the week before "Hand". In just ONE WEEK, we went from Bobby Vinton's "There! I've Said It Again" to "I Want To Hold Your Hand"!!! If you can, listen to those songs back to back. That's no subtle shift, that's going directly from riding a tricycle to piloting a jet. When these folks say stuff like "oh, those songs are so simple, how can you say it was so creative and revolutionary..it can't compare to Pink Floyd, etc.", they usually aren't thinking in terms of what else was going on AT THE TIME. Of course, "Dark Side of the Moon" is more sophisticated than "She Loves You"..but "Moon" came 10 years or so later. And let us not forget the rapid maturation evident with each new Beatles record. In 1962 they recorded "Love Me Do". Just 5 years later they released "Sgt. Pepper". That's mind-boggling.

3-Not relevant? Influence exaggerated? Please. The Beatles' DNA is in, in varying degrees, most every pop and rock band that came after them, just as Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Buddy Holly, etc. were in theirs. It's inescapable. Most artists list the group as a favorite, an influence, or both.

As usual, this was meant to be a short comment but since the subject is Beatles, I got carried away. I guess it would've been easier to just say that to know the FULL story on their impact and legacy, you needed to experience it firsthand. It's like, I can well imagine what it must've been like during World War II but I can never COMPLETELY understand the fear and worry that accompanied that time...I didn't LIVE in those times. Don't mean to equate WW II with pop music, but you get my point.

4- Finally, when someone downplays the importance of The Beatles, it shows me that either they're trying to deliberately stir up a little controversy, or that they pretty much don't know crap about music. They can hate 'em all they want, but not important? That's ignorance.

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When these folks say stuff like "oh, those songs are so simple, how can you say it was so creative and revolutionary..it can't compare to Pink Floyd, etc.", they usually aren't thinking in terms of what else was going on AT THE TIME. Of course, "Dark Side of the Moon" is more sophisticated than "She Loves You"..but "Moon" came 10 years or so later. And let us not forget the rapid maturation evident with each new Beatles record. In 1962 they recorded "Love Me Do". Just 5 years later they released "Sgt. Pepper". That's mind-boggling.
You've alluded to, but didn't state outright, that with EVERY album, they (George Martin) invented, developed & perfected new techniques in the recording studio. Many are likely still in use today, despite computerization.

A good analogy might be in movies, pre- and post- "Star Wars."

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Interestingly I just saw a trailer for a movie called "Yesterday". The plot is that after some sort of worldwide blackout, a singer wakes up in a world where the Beatles never existed but he remembers all their songs.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/development-the-beatles-never-existed-in-danny-boyles-yesterday-chris-evans-sets-post-mcu

Scroll down past the story about Chris Evans.

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Interestingly I just saw a trailer for a movie called "Yesterday". The plot is that after some sort of worldwide blackout, a singer wakes up in a world where the Beatles never existed but he remembers all their songs.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/development-the-beatles-never-existed-in-danny-boyles-yesterday-chris-evans-sets-post-mcu

Scroll down past the story about Chris Evans.


I had seen something about that some time ago but had forgotten about it. An interesting premise.

I have actually thought about a "what if" scenario similar in nature, being able to time travel back to a certain point and "write" a bunch of classic songs before they were originally conceived. The problem would be that the initial spark of creation for some songs happened quite a bit earlier than the actual completion of the composition, which would complicate things.

The other problem, of course, is that quite often I have too much time to think :lol:

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When these folks say stuff like "oh, those songs are so simple, how can you say it was so creative and revolutionary..it can't compare to Pink Floyd, etc.", they usually aren't thinking in terms of what else was going on AT THE TIME. Of course, "Dark Side of the Moon" is more sophisticated than "She Loves You"..but "Moon" came 10 years or so later. And let us not forget the rapid maturation evident with each new Beatles record. In 1962 they recorded "Love Me Do". Just 5 years later they released "Sgt. Pepper". That's mind-boggling.
You've alluded to, but didn't state outright, that with EVERY album, they (George Martin) invented, developed & perfected new techniques in the recording studio. Many are likely still in use today, despite computerization.

A good analogy might be in movies, pre- and post- "Star Wars."



Absolutely. And, as you've put forth, George Martin's contributions were far from insignificant, as well as those of engineer Norman "Hurricane Smith" (who had a hit of his own in the early 70's with "Oh Babe What Would You Say") in the early period, then engineer Geoff Emerick. Emerick himself came up with some of the techniques used when tasked with turning a Beatle flight of fancy into a reality.

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When I have an earworm, like the Liberty Mutual TV ad, my go-to to clear it is "Oh Babe, What Would You Say".

Sometimes that gets stuck in there, too, but I can live with that.

It occurs to me that half of what I love about that song is the hinky-dinky piano, so I could also use some ABBA songs.

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When I have an earworm, like the Liberty Mutual TV ad, my go-to to clear it is "Oh Babe, What Would You Say".

Sometimes that gets stuck in there, too, but I can live with that.

It occurs to me that half of what I love about that song is the hinky-dinky piano, so I could also use some ABBA songs.



I'm with ya on that Liberty Mutual jingle. It is one of a number of extremely annoying commercials making me miserable.

Another one is from Target, who seem to have a knack for choosing songs that make me crazy, with that song "All The Ways", which I recently discovered is by Meghan Trainor, who also "graced" us with "All About The Bass". Suffice it to say she will be getting no Boneys anytime soon.

There's also a DiGiorno's ad running, it seems, every 10 minutes on MLB Network, where a woman sings "pan pan pan pan" to the opening notes of Beethoven's 5th in order to hawk their pan pizzas. I feel they may be trying to turn me against two of my favorite things, baseball and pizza. Curse them!

There's more, including some infuriating local ones, but my lip is starting to curl just thinking about them, so...

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I have actually thought about a "what if" scenario similar in nature, being able to time travel back to a certain point and "write" a bunch of classic songs before they were originally conceived. The problem would be that the initial spark of creation for some songs happened quite a bit earlier than the actual completion of the composition, which would complicate things.



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Now that we have side-stepped into TV commercials, I can't remember if I brought this up several months ago, but it's awesome.

https://www.tvadvertmusic.com/2018/09/v ... cial-song/

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Now that we have side-stepped into TV commercials, I can't remember if I brought this up several months ago, but it's awesome.

https://www.tvadvertmusic.com/2018/09/v ... cial-song/
Bleu was a long-time staple of the late, great Not Lame Music. Possibly related to that is that he has made appearances on T-Bone's Boney Awards over the years.

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When I have an earworm, like the Liberty Mutual TV ad, my go-to to clear it is "Oh Babe, What Would You Say".

Sometimes that gets stuck in there, too, but I can live with that.

It occurs to me that half of what I love about that song is the hinky-dinky piano, so I could also use some ABBA songs.



I'm with ya on that Liberty Mutual jingle. It is one of a number of extremely annoying commercials making me miserable.

Another one is from Target, who seem to have a knack for choosing songs that make me crazy, with that song "All The Ways", which I recently discovered is by Meghan Trainor, who also "graced" us with "All About The Bass". Suffice it to say she will be getting no Boneys anytime soon.

There's also a DiGiorno's ad running, it seems, every 10 minutes on MLB Network, where a woman sings "pan pan pan pan" to the opening notes of Beethoven's 5th in order to hawk their pan pizzas. I feel they may be trying to turn me against two of my favorite things, baseball and pizza. Curse them!

There's more, including some infuriating local ones, but my lip is starting to curl just thinking about them, so...

What I hate are the drug commercials that appropriate rock songs. For instance, Ozympic (a diabetes medicine) uses "It's Magic" by ELO, and another drug (I can't remember which one) that uses The Jackson 5's "One, Two, Three".

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Where did you get ahold of my old work I.D. photo??

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I have actually thought about a "what if" scenario similar in nature, being able to time travel back to a certain point and "write" a bunch of classic songs before they were originally conceived. The problem would be that the initial spark of creation for some songs happened quite a bit earlier than the actual completion of the composition, which would complicate things.



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Estonut wrote:
Ritterskoop wrote:
Now that we have side-stepped into TV commercials, I can't remember if I brought this up several months ago, but it's awesome.

https://www.tvadvertmusic.com/2018/09/v ... cial-song/
Bleu was a long-time staple of the late, great Not Lame Music. Possibly related to that is that he has made appearances on T-Bone's Boney Awards over the years.



A good tune, Skoop. I liked it, but it JUST missed making my 2018 list (which will be revealed soon, hint hint). It was one of the last couple of songs eliminated.


You are correct Esto. Not Lame was where I discovered Bleu. I also liked his ELO-inspired project with other power pop notables, LEO.

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Oh, and Skoop, don't know if you knew this, but Bleu co-wrote two songs on Hanson's "The Walk", the album you successfully recommended to me a few years back.


He's also landed songs on albums by Demi Lovato and Selena Gomez, among others, but I'll try not to hold that against him :wink:

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What I hate are the drug commercials that appropriate rock songs. For instance, Ozympic (a diabetes medicine) uses "It's Magic" by ELO, and another drug (I can't remember which one) that uses The Jackson 5's "One, Two, Three".


Also, those commercials take up 3/4 of their time listing all the possible side effects, which falls into "covering our butts legally", I suppose. What really makes me laugh and scratch my head is when they say "Do not take [.......] if you are allergic to it.."

Well, duh.

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Having always had the Beatles in the world, it's hard for me to get my head around there being a time before them.

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or that they pretty much don't know crap about music. They can hate 'em all they want, but not important? That's ignorance.


I don't know crap about music, but I know/agree with everything you said about the Beatles, and I was very young when they exploded onto the scene.

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Having always had the Beatles in the world, it's hard for me to get my head around there being a time before them.

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or that they pretty much don't know crap about music. They can hate 'em all they want, but not important? That's ignorance.


I don't know crap about music, but I know/agree with everything you said about the Beatles, and I was very young when they exploded onto the scene.



That right there shows that you are knowledgeable enough to recognize their impact.

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Having always had the Beatles in the world, it's hard for me to get my head around there being a time before them.

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or that they pretty much don't know crap about music. They can hate 'em all they want, but not important? That's ignorance.


I don't know crap about music, but I know/agree with everything you said about the Beatles, and I was very young when they exploded onto the scene.


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or that they pretty much don't know crap about music. They can hate 'em all they want, but not important? That's ignorance.


I don't know crap about music, but I know/agree with everything you said about the Beatles, and I was very young when they exploded onto the scene.


We see you!

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LOL -I was a touch younger than those girls - although my six-years-older sister was about that age..

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