From the Manifesto of the New Zealand Shooter

[flockofseagulls104]

Secure the borders and we can save a lot more people than that.

This is more of the same old bullshit that fails to acknowledge the evidence that immigrants (both authorized and unauthorized) are less likely than authorized residents to commit crimes, including violent crimes. That's particularly true if you disregard status offenses arising from their entry into the country -- recall that unauthorized presence in the United States is a civil violation, not a crime.

The average mass shooter is a homegrown white nationalist. And I can't think of a single mass shooting -- not one -- that has been carried out by an unauthorized immigrant. --Bob

Oh, has the batphone term changed to 'unauthorized' now?
One crime committed by someone who shouldn't be here is one too many, bob-tel.

[Bob78164]

Secure the borders and we can save a lot more people than that.

This is more of the same old bullshit that fails to acknowledge the evidence that immigrants (both authorized and unauthorized) are less likely than authorized residents to commit crimes, including violent crimes. That's particularly true if you disregard status offenses arising from their entry into the country -- recall that unauthorized presence in the United States is a civil violation, not a crime.

The average mass shooter is a homegrown white nationalist. And I can't think of a single mass shooting -- not one -- that has been carried out by an unauthorized immigrant. --Bob

Oh, has the batphone term changed to 'unauthorized' now?
One crime committed by someone who shouldn't be here is one too many, bob-tel.

And how do you feel about one life saved by someone who shouldn't have been here? One invention created? One child raised in a loving household?

And of course, it's obvious what happens to this standard when you apply it to the gun control debate. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

One crime committed by someone who shouldn't be here is one too many, bob-tel.

Well, since we have limited police resources, both in terms of personnel and money, we have to decide how best to utilize those resources. Spending inordinate amounts of money and manpower on people who pose considerably less of a threat rather than go after the greater threats is not a good use of those resources.

[Beebs52]

One crime committed by someone who shouldn't be here is one too many, bob-tel.

Well, since we have limited police resources, both in terms of personnel and money, we have to decide how best to utilize those resources. Spending inordinate amounts of money and manpower on people who pose considerably less of a threat rather than go after the greater threats is not a good use of those resources.

Tell me where those resources, or a portion of those resources, should go. Chicago?

[Bob78164]

One crime committed by someone who shouldn't be here is one too many, bob-tel.

Well, since we have limited police resources, both in terms of personnel and money, we have to decide how best to utilize those resources. Spending inordinate amounts of money and manpower on people who pose considerably less of a threat rather than go after the greater threats is not a good use of those resources.

Tell me where those resources, or a portion of those resources, should go. Chicago?

I'm inclined to side with Gen. Neller (Commandant of the Marine Corps) that public resources should go toward maintaining our military's combat-readiness rather than squandering them on a wall that we don't need and that won't work. --Bob

[BackInTex]

Well, since we have limited police resources, both in terms of personnel and money, we have to decide how best to utilize those resources. Spending inordinate amounts of money and manpower on people who pose considerably less of a threat rather than go after the greater threats is not a good use of those resources.

Tell me where those resources, or a portion of those resources, should go. Chicago?

I'm inclined to side with Gen. Neller (Commandant of the Marine Corps) that public resources should go toward maintaining our military's combat-readiness rather than squandering them on a wall that we don't need and that won't work. --Bob

The funding could have been from other sources had your side approved them. The wall is needed. Period.

[Bob78164]

Tell me where those resources, or a portion of those resources, should go. Chicago?

I'm inclined to side with Gen. Neller (Commandant of the Marine Corps) that public resources should go toward maintaining our military's combat-readiness rather than squandering them on a wall that we don't need and that won't work. --Bob

The funding could have been from other sources had your side approved them. The wall is needed. Period.

Because immigrants are just pouring across hundreds of miles of inhospitable desert borders. The ones who aren't dying of thirst or exposure in that desert.

You can say it as often as you want. That won't make it so, and more importantly, it won't change the fact that a clear majority of the American people and the Congressional Representatives whom they just elected (including but not limited to your neighbors who decided to retire former Rep. Culberson) have decided that is not the best way to spend the public's money. Which is the same decision Congress consistently made during the two years Republicans had complete control of the levers of government. --Bob

[earendel]

I'm inclined to side with Gen. Neller (Commandant of the Marine Corps) that public resources should go toward maintaining our military's combat-readiness rather than squandering them on a wall that we don't need and that won't work. --Bob

The funding could have been from other sources had your side approved them. The wall is needed. Period.

Because immigrants are just pouring across hundreds of miles of inhospitable desert borders. The ones who aren't dying of thirst or exposure in that desert.

You can say it as often as you want. That won't make it so, and more importantly, it won't change the fact that a clear majority of the American people and the Congressional Representatives whom they just elected (including but not limited to your neighbors who decided to retire former Rep. Culberson) have decided that is not the best way to spend the public's money. Which is the same decision Congress consistently made during the two years Republicans had complete control of the levers of government. --Bob

NPR reported yesterday that for the month of March, almost 100,000 migrants will cross the border from Mexico to the U.S. Now granted, that figure comes from Kirstjen Nielsen, Homeland Security Secretary, and so maybe should be taken with a grain of salt, but it can't be denied that numbers are up. The article explains why this is so.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/21/70562083 ... ed-why-now

[BackInTex]

I'm inclined to side with Gen. Neller (Commandant of the Marine Corps) that public resources should go toward maintaining our military's combat-readiness rather than squandering them on a wall that we don't need and that won't work. --Bob

I'm inclined to to side with Mark Morgan, Obama's Border Patrol Chief, who agrees with Trump on the wall. He has more experience and knowledge about the border, and has no turf to protect like the good General.

It's refreshing to see someone who could have a political ax to grind, or doesn't agree with an administration's methods, have the courage and intellectual honesty to express their opinions.

Mark Morgan, who led the U.S. Border Patrol during Barack Obama's presidency and was ousted from the position by the Trump administration, said Saturday that he's in total agreement with President Trump's proposed border wall.


Morgan echoed President Trump's message to America by saying the current situation at the southern border is a "national security and humanitarian crisis."

[flockofseagulls104]

The funding could have been from other sources had your side approved them. The wall is needed. Period.

Because immigrants are just pouring across hundreds of miles of inhospitable desert borders. The ones who aren't dying of thirst or exposure in that desert.

You can say it as often as you want. That won't make it so, and more importantly, it won't change the fact that a clear majority of the American people and the Congressional Representatives whom they just elected (including but not limited to your neighbors who decided to retire former Rep. Culberson) have decided that is not the best way to spend the public's money. Which is the same decision Congress consistently made during the two years Republicans had complete control of the levers of government. --Bob

NPR reported yesterday that for the month of March, almost 100,000 migrants will cross the border from Mexico to the U.S. Now granted, that figure comes from Kirstjen Nielsen, Homeland Security Secretary, and so maybe should be taken with a grain of salt, but it can't be denied that numbers are up. The article explains why this is so.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/21/70562083 ... ed-why-now

Who says democrats don't support small businesses. A wall would decimate hundreds of jobs in Mexico.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mi ... story.html

Just a question, earendel: Would you have added that 'grain of salt' comment to anything coming out of the Obama administration? I was surprised that you did that. You usually try to show yourself as being objective.

[silverscreenselect]

It looks like the additional fencing Trump has had installed is being put to good use:

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... n-and-used

[earendel]

Just a question, earendel: Would you have added that 'grain of salt' comment to anything coming out of the Obama administration? I was surprised that you did that. You usually try to show yourself as being objective.

Depends upon who was saying it. Nielsen falsely claimed that there were billboards in Central America advertising that the best way to get into the U.S. was to grab a child. She also falsely testified before Congress that there was no official policy to separate families at the border, and claimed that an unspecified number of "terror-watchlisted individuals" have been encountered at the border, although Customs & Border Protection data indicated only 6 such individuals were identified during the first half of 2018.

If someone from the Obama administration had made equally false or misleading claims, I'd say the same thng.

[BackInTex]

Just a question, earendel: Would you have added that 'grain of salt' comment to anything coming out of the Obama administration? I was surprised that you did that. You usually try to show yourself as being objective.

Depends upon who was saying it. Nielsen falsely claimed that there were billboards in Central America advertising that the best way to get into the U.S. was to grab a child. She also falsely testified before Congress that there was no official policy to separate families at the border, and claimed that an unspecified number of "terror-watchlisted individuals" have been encountered at the border, although Customs & Border Protection data indicated only 6 such individuals were identified during the first half of 2018.

If someone from the Obama administration had made equally false or misleading claims, I'd say the same thng.

You mean like:
"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan"
"We talked about grandkids"
"they are protesters protesting a video"

[flockofseagulls104]

Just a question, earendel: Would you have added that 'grain of salt' comment to anything coming out of the Obama administration? I was surprised that you did that. You usually try to show yourself as being objective.

Depends upon who was saying it. Nielsen falsely claimed that there were billboards in Central America advertising that the best way to get into the U.S. was to grab a child. She also falsely testified before Congress that there was no official policy to separate families at the border, and claimed that an unspecified number of "terror-watchlisted individuals" have been encountered at the border, although Customs & Border Protection data indicated only 6 such individuals were identified during the first half of 2018.

If someone from the Obama administration had made equally false or misleading claims, I'd say the same thng.

You mean like:
"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan"
"We talked about grandkids"
"they are protesters protesting a video"

Oh come on now, we all know the Obama administration was scandal free. Everything Holder, Comey, Lynch and Obama ever said was the God's honest truth. If you don't believe me, ask CNN.

[silverscreenselect]

Depends upon who was saying it. Nielsen falsely claimed that there were billboards in Central America advertising that the best way to get into the U.S. was to grab a child. She also falsely testified before Congress that there was no official policy to separate families at the border, and claimed that an unspecified number of "terror-watchlisted individuals" have been encountered at the border, although Customs & Border Protection data indicated only 6 such individuals were identified during the first half of 2018.

If someone from the Obama administration had made equally false or misleading claims, I'd say the same thng.

You mean like:
"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan"
"We talked about grandkids"
"they are protesters protesting a video"

I don't believe any of those statements were sworn testimony before Congress.

[flockofseagulls104]

You mean like:
"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan"
"We talked about grandkids"
"they are protesters protesting a video"

I don't believe any of those statements were sworn testimony before Congress.

That's a wonderful defense. Why don't we apply it to trump?

[earendel]

Just a question, earendel: Would you have added that 'grain of salt' comment to anything coming out of the Obama administration? I was surprised that you did that. You usually try to show yourself as being objective.

Depends upon who was saying it. Nielsen falsely claimed that there were billboards in Central America advertising that the best way to get into the U.S. was to grab a child. She also falsely testified before Congress that there was no official policy to separate families at the border, and claimed that an unspecified number of "terror-watchlisted individuals" have been encountered at the border, although Customs & Border Protection data indicated only 6 such individuals were identified during the first half of 2018.

If someone from the Obama administration had made equally false or misleading claims, I'd say the same thng.

You mean like:
"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan"
"We talked about grandkids"
"they are protesters protesting a video"

Yes.

[silverscreenselect]

I don't believe any of those statements were sworn testimony before Congress.

That's a wonderful defense. Why don't we apply it to trump?

Because he refuses to ever testify under oath.

[flockofseagulls104]

I don't believe any of those statements were sworn testimony before Congress.

That's a wonderful defense. Why don't we apply it to trump?

Because he refuses to ever testify under oath.

Then why isn't there a list of the 3927 lies that Obama told while not under oath? Rhetorical question, we all know why.

[BackInTex]

That's a wonderful defense. Why don't we apply it to trump?

Because he refuses to ever testify under oath.

Then why isn't there a list of the 3927 lies that Obama told while not under oath? Rhetorical question, we all know why.

Or Hillary. She did not testify to the FBI under oath....by design.

[Bob78164]

Because he refuses to ever testify under oath.

Then why isn't there a list of the 3927 lies that Obama told while not under oath? Rhetorical question, we all know why.

Or Hillary. She did not testify to the FBI under oath....by design.

Police interviews generally aren’t under oath. Nor do they have to be. Lying to the FBI during the course of an official investigation would have been a crime. Except, of course, that she didn’t lie. Just as she didn’t lie during nine hours of sworn testimony to Congress.

But c’mon, really? Politicians get shit wrong sometimes, once in a while deliberately. But when they’re called on their inaccuracies, deliberate or not, they correct themselves. Donny has demonstrated, time and time again, that he doesn’t give a flying fuck whether he’s telling the truth. Call Donny on his lies, and like a petulant five-year-old he just doubles down. And elected Republicans won’t call him on it because they know voters like you are willing to keep giving him a pass and they’re more afraid of being primaried than they’re interested in actually doing what’s right.

Maybe Rep. Kennedy will take up the family mantle and write a book modeled on President Kennedy’s book. He can call it Profiles in Cowardice. —Bob

[tlynn78]

Maybe Rep. Kennedy will take up the family mantle and write a book modeled on President Kennedy’s book. He can call it Profiles in Cowardice. —Bob

Kewl, an expose of good ol' drunken Uncle Teddy, the lady killer! Id buy that.