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Hey Skoop
>>>And you know, not that I will be defending Spock most days, but I would hardly refer to his opening post as a diatribe. That implies far more heft than this post had. <<<
Thanks, I think-LOL.
You might be surprised at how close we are on a lot of things and at some of the stuff I read.
Small is beautiful!!!!!!!
Through my Frontier Partisans guys, I have become a devotee of Wendell Berry. I also have James Kunstler on my list as he is prominently featured on Wrath of Gnon.
https://twitter.com/wrathofgnon
Following Wrath of Gnon for the last few months has me thinking about things more philosophically (for lack of a better term) than I ever have. It has opened doors that I never imagined that I would be interested in opening.
I am becoming a fan of Belloc's and Chesterton's idea of Distributism as an economic system as opposed to naked capitalism and socialism. Berry describes distributism without calling it that.
https://theimaginativeconservative.org/ ... utism.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism
From Wiki
>>>Distributism is an economic ideology asserting that the world's productive assets should be widely owned rather than concentrated.[1] It was developed in Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries based upon the principles of Catholic social teaching, especially the teachings of Pope Leo XIII in his encyclical Rerum novarum (1891) and Pope Pius XI in Quadragesimo anno (1931).[2][3][4] It views both capitalism and socialism as equally flawed and exploitative, and it favors economic mechanisms such as small-scale cooperatives and family businesses, and large-scale anti-trust regulations.<<<<
Once again; Small is beautiful.
Environmentally, simply put, I don't have a political home.
The right is wrong on nature; but so is the left.
A book I can't wait to tackle is this one. BTW, I am not Catholic. Fundamentally, I dispute that the Left (in the description below) "understands the exquisite, delicate harmony of the natural order"-
I give SSS and Bob zero credit for understanding Nature (LOL)-Be that as it may-I still want to read the book.
In Defense of Nature:The Catholic Unity of Environmental, Economic and Moral Ecology
>>>Ecology calls to mind nature “out there”—trees, rivers, oceans, animals, birds, the air, distinct ecosystems. But as Benjamin Wiker argues, an obvious part of nature has been mysteriously left out of the environmental movement: our own nature—human nature, especially its essential moral aspects.
In Defense of Nature shows that while both nature and human nature are equally important, there is a significant obstacle threatening the acceptance of this expanded account of ecology. The Left understands the exquisite, delicate harmony of the natural order, and why environmental pollution is harmful. The Right understands the exquisite, delicate harmony of the human moral order, and why moral pollution is harmful. Each side will tell you how very little a deviation it takes to cause disaster to the natural or to the moral order. But each refuses to see the other’s argument.
In Defense of Nature allows both the Left and the Right to see what the other sees so clearly, and how it all fits together, from toxic landfills and global warming, to internet addiction and human trafficking.<<<
Thanks, I think-LOL.
You might be surprised at how close we are on a lot of things and at some of the stuff I read.
Small is beautiful!!!!!!!
Through my Frontier Partisans guys, I have become a devotee of Wendell Berry. I also have James Kunstler on my list as he is prominently featured on Wrath of Gnon.
https://twitter.com/wrathofgnon
Following Wrath of Gnon for the last few months has me thinking about things more philosophically (for lack of a better term) than I ever have. It has opened doors that I never imagined that I would be interested in opening.
I am becoming a fan of Belloc's and Chesterton's idea of Distributism as an economic system as opposed to naked capitalism and socialism. Berry describes distributism without calling it that.
https://theimaginativeconservative.org/ ... utism.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism
From Wiki
>>>Distributism is an economic ideology asserting that the world's productive assets should be widely owned rather than concentrated.[1] It was developed in Europe in the late 19th and early 20th centuries based upon the principles of Catholic social teaching, especially the teachings of Pope Leo XIII in his encyclical Rerum novarum (1891) and Pope Pius XI in Quadragesimo anno (1931).[2][3][4] It views both capitalism and socialism as equally flawed and exploitative, and it favors economic mechanisms such as small-scale cooperatives and family businesses, and large-scale anti-trust regulations.<<<<
Once again; Small is beautiful.
Environmentally, simply put, I don't have a political home.
The right is wrong on nature; but so is the left.
A book I can't wait to tackle is this one. BTW, I am not Catholic. Fundamentally, I dispute that the Left (in the description below) "understands the exquisite, delicate harmony of the natural order"-
I give SSS and Bob zero credit for understanding Nature (LOL)-Be that as it may-I still want to read the book.
In Defense of Nature:The Catholic Unity of Environmental, Economic and Moral Ecology
>>>Ecology calls to mind nature “out there”—trees, rivers, oceans, animals, birds, the air, distinct ecosystems. But as Benjamin Wiker argues, an obvious part of nature has been mysteriously left out of the environmental movement: our own nature—human nature, especially its essential moral aspects.
In Defense of Nature shows that while both nature and human nature are equally important, there is a significant obstacle threatening the acceptance of this expanded account of ecology. The Left understands the exquisite, delicate harmony of the natural order, and why environmental pollution is harmful. The Right understands the exquisite, delicate harmony of the human moral order, and why moral pollution is harmful. Each side will tell you how very little a deviation it takes to cause disaster to the natural or to the moral order. But each refuses to see the other’s argument.
In Defense of Nature allows both the Left and the Right to see what the other sees so clearly, and how it all fits together, from toxic landfills and global warming, to internet addiction and human trafficking.<<<
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I have mostly thought of you as being like some of those New Mexico and Nevada politicians - they are not what the rest of us think of as left or right. All those guys care about is water and the land.
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At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you. - attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
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Upon reflection, I shouldn't say that I am becoming a fan of distributism.
It basically describes the world I grew up in, but I didn't know it had a name until I read Chesterton.
It basically describes the world I grew up in, but I didn't know it had a name until I read Chesterton.
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Uh, that's a bit harsh. There's always a human element involved. Sort of equating them with a type of totemic religiousity, not unlike Adam Schiff's.Ritterskoop wrote:I have mostly thought of you as being like some of those New Mexico and Nevada politicians - they are not what the rest of us think of as left or right. All those guys care about is water and the land.
Well, then
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Skoop-I know you're usually straightforward and literal. Your comment struck me as right coast, left coast "flyover" ish. That's all.
Well, then
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I meant it in kind of an admiring way - why fart around with personalities, when there is something important to talk about?
It struck me in 2008, I think. Richards and some other Western governors seemed impatient with everyone else for snipping about stuff that is just dumb, when water really matters.
It struck me in 2008, I think. Richards and some other Western governors seemed impatient with everyone else for snipping about stuff that is just dumb, when water really matters.
If you fail to pilot your own ship, don't be surprised at what inappropriate port you find yourself docked. - Tom Robbins
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At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you. - attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
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At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you. - attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
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Richardson, maybe, not Richards? Can't remember. Too lazy to look.
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At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you. - attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
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At the moment of commitment, the universe conspires to assist you. - attributed to Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.
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Richardson, I think.Ritterskoop wrote:Richardson, maybe, not Richards? Can't remember. Too lazy to look.
Well, then
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Bill Richardson was the governor of New Mexico until about eight years ago.Beebs52 wrote:Richardson, I think.Ritterskoop wrote:Richardson, maybe, not Richards? Can't remember. Too lazy to look.
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Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.