Johnson, Bush, Trump

[a1mamacat]

Tonkin

WMD

Iran


must be an election coming...

[BackInTex]

There's one every 4 years here.

Y'all got your own problems.

[Bob78164]

There's one every 4 years here.

Y'all got your own problems.

The problem with having a pathological liar in the Oval Office is that the American people have no idea whether he's telling the truth now, when it makes one helluva difference. But since Donny certainly hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, I will be asking my Congressional representatives to oppose military action in the region until and unless we get reliable information. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

There's one every 4 years here.

Y'all got your own problems.

The problem with having a pathological liar in the Oval Office is that the American people have no idea whether he's telling the truth now, when it makes one helluva difference. But since Donny certainly hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, I will be asking my Congressional representatives to oppose military action in the region until and unless we get reliable information. --Bob

Gee, if only we had a treaty with Iran that might deter them from taking any hostile actions...

[tlynn78]

There's one every 4 years here.

Y'all got your own problems.

The problem with having a pathological liar in the Oval Office is that the American people have no idea whether he's telling the truth now, when it makes one helluva difference. But since Donny certainly hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, I will be asking my Congressional representatives to oppose military action in the region until and unless we get reliable information. --Bob

Gee, if only we had a treaty with Iran that might deter them from taking any hostile actions...

[flockofseagulls104]

There's one every 4 years here.

Y'all got your own problems.

The problem with having a pathological liar in the Oval Office is that we loonies on the left have no idea whether he's telling the truth now, when it makes one helluva difference. But since Donny certainly hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, I will be asking my Congressional representatives to oppose military action in the region until and unless we get the go ahead from the bat phone. --Bob

I'm glad to see there are still politicians who don't see politics as a blood sport where you do everything and anything you can to make life difficult for your opponents. --Bob

Fixed it for you. You ought to tone down your hate speech. You may need some credibility someday.

[Bob78164]

There's one every 4 years here.

Y'all got your own problems.

The problem with having a pathological liar in the Oval Office is that the American people and our allies cannot rely on him telling the truth now, when it makes one helluva difference. But since Donny certainly hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, I will be asking my Congressional representatives to oppose military action in the region until and unless I see trustworthy evidence justifying military action. --Bob

I'm glad to see there are still politicians who don't see politics as a blood sport where you do everything and anything you can to make life difficult for your opponents. --Bob

Fixed it for you. You ought to tone down your hate speech. You may need some credibility someday.

Are you seriously contending that Donny isn't a pathological liar? Simple truth isn't hate speech.

We've already lived through one foreign war that was based on a lie. I'm in no mood to support another.

And I keep telling you. I don't listen to the Batphone. I write for it. --Bob

[a1mamacat]

There's one every 4 years here.

Y'all got your own problems.

"Tru dat"

however, when you share a continent it is concerning when your neighbour 'double dog dares' other countries. Guidance systems can go wrong.

[Bob Juch]

There's one every 4 years here.

Y'all got your own problems.

"Tru dat"

however, when you share a continent it is concerning when your neighbour 'double dog dares' other countries. Guidance systems can go wrong.

And winds blow.

[Beebs52]

There's one every 4 years here.

Y'all got your own problems.

"Tru dat"

however, when you share a continent it is concerning when your neighbour 'double dog dares' other countries. Guidance systems can go wrong.

And winds blow.

Kings and queens of...whataboutistan much?

[Bob Juch]

"Tru dat"

however, when you share a continent it is concerning when your neighbour 'double dog dares' other countries. Guidance systems can go wrong.

And winds blow.

Kings and queens of...whataboutistan much?

Huh?

[Beebs52]

And winds blow.

Kings and queens of...whataboutistan much?

Huh?

Makes as much sense as when you use it.

[Bob Juch]

Kings and queens of...whataboutistan much?

Huh?

Makes as much sense as when you use it.

No, what did you think I meant by, "And winds blow?"

[Beebs52]

Huh?

Makes as much sense as when you use it.

No, what did you think I meant by, "And winds blow?"

Nada of import

[flockofseagulls104]

The problem with having a pathological liar in the Oval Office is that the American people and our allies cannot rely on him telling the truth now, when it makes one helluva difference. But since Donny certainly hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt, I will be asking my Congressional representatives to oppose military action in the region until and unless I see trustworthy evidence justifying military action. --Bob

I'm glad to see there are still politicians who don't see politics as a blood sport where you do everything and anything you can to make life difficult for your opponents. --Bob

Fixed it for you. You ought to tone down your hate speech. You may need some credibility someday.

Are you seriously contending that Donny isn't a pathological liar? Simple truth isn't hate speech.

We've already lived through one foreign war that was based on a lie. I'm in no mood to support another.

And I keep telling you. I don't listen to the Batphone. I write for it. --Bob

Gee, is pathological lying like insisting over and over on national TV that someone is a racist because he correctly pointed out there were good people on both sides of the issue at a protest that ended in tragedy? Is pathological lying spending 2 years declaring you'll wait until the result of an investigation is revealed and you would trust no other conclusion, then when it is released and it doesn't meet your expectations you disclaim it and want to investigate further until you find a crime or make one up? Is pathological lying wanting to impeach a president when no crime or evidence of a crime has been committed? Is pathological lying ...?
I am obviously confused as to what pathological lying is. Please tell me what pathological lying is. Seems to me it is what is disseminated by the bat phone. Are you the source?

[Bob78164]

I'm glad to see there are still politicians who don't see politics as a blood sport where you do everything and anything you can to make life difficult for your opponents. --Bob

Fixed it for you. You ought to tone down your hate speech. You may need some credibility someday.

Are you seriously contending that Donny isn't a pathological liar? Simple truth isn't hate speech.

We've already lived through one foreign war that was based on a lie. I'm in no mood to support another.

And I keep telling you. I don't listen to the Batphone. I write for it. --Bob

Gee, is pathological lying like insisting over and over on national TV that someone is a racist because he correctly pointed out there were good people on both sides of the issue at a protest that ended in tragedy? Is pathological lying spending 2 years declaring you'll wait until the result of an investigation is revealed and you would trust no other conclusion, then when it is released and it doesn't meet your expectations you disclaim it and want to investigate further until you find a crime or make one up? Is pathological lying wanting to impeach a president when no crime or evidence of a crime has been committed? Is pathological lying ...?
I am obviously confused as to what pathological lying is. Please tell me what pathological lying is. Seems to me it is what is disseminated by the bat phone. Are you the source?

Sure. He's over 10,000 lies in 869 days. From the size of his inauguration crowd to his lies about his internal polling, he appears to be incapable of telling the truth about anything.

And there are many, many reasons to believe that Donny is a racist. Very fine people in this day and age don't celebrate the Confederacy, a nation of traitors (and ultimately losers) that was created in order to further human bondage and subjugation.

As for the Mueller Report, as far as I'm concerned there's enough there right now to justify an impeachment inquiry for obstruction of justice. Don McGahn's testimony alone is probably enough, which is why Donny is fighting tooth and nail to keep McGahn from testifying. And although it may not have been a crime, I think that a candidate for office who knowingly accepts the help of a hostile foreign government also deserves to be impeached and removed. But that's because I'm more loyal to America than I am to Russia, or to any political party. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

Very fine people in this day and age don't celebrate the Confederacy, a nation of traitors (and ultimately losers) that was created in order to further human bondage and subjugation.

It's funny how you don't see anyone in Germany wanting to "celebrate their heritage" by erecting statues of Hitler, Goebbels, or any of the military leaders, and they don't name streets or schools after them either.

The drive to "celebrate" the Confederacy came in the early 1900s as a means of asserting white racial superiority.

[Beebs52]

Very fine people in this day and age don't celebrate the Confederacy, a nation of traitors (and ultimately losers) that was created in order to further human bondage and subjugation.

It's funny how you don't see anyone in Germany wanting to "celebrate their heritage" by erecting statues of Hitler, Goebbels, or any of the military leaders, and they don't name streets or schools after them either.

The drive to "celebrate" the Confederacy came in the early 1900s as a means of asserting white racial superiority.

You are scarily, sadly repetitive.

[silverscreenselect]

Very fine people in this day and age don't celebrate the Confederacy, a nation of traitors (and ultimately losers) that was created in order to further human bondage and subjugation.

It's funny how you don't see anyone in Germany wanting to "celebrate their heritage" by erecting statues of Hitler, Goebbels, or any of the military leaders, and they don't name streets or schools after them either.

The drive to "celebrate" the Confederacy came in the early 1900s as a means of asserting white racial superiority.

You are scarily, sadly repetitive.

The truth is scary and sad.

[flockofseagulls104]

Are you seriously contending that Donny isn't a pathological liar? Simple truth isn't hate speech.

We've already lived through one foreign war that was based on a lie. I'm in no mood to support another.

And I keep telling you. I don't listen to the Batphone. I write for it. --Bob

Gee, is pathological lying like insisting over and over on national TV that someone is a racist because he correctly pointed out there were good people on both sides of the issue at a protest that ended in tragedy? Is pathological lying spending 2 years declaring you'll wait until the result of an investigation is revealed and you would trust no other conclusion, then when it is released and it doesn't meet your expectations you disclaim it and want to investigate further until you find a crime or make one up? Is pathological lying wanting to impeach a president when no crime or evidence of a crime has been committed? Is pathological lying ...?
I am obviously confused as to what pathological lying is. Please tell me what pathological lying is. Seems to me it is what is disseminated by the bat phone. Are you the source?

Sure. He's over 10,000 lies in 869 days. From the size of his inauguration crowd to his lies about his internal polling, he appears to be incapable of telling the truth about anything.

And there are many, many reasons to believe that Donny is a racist. Very fine people in this day and age don't celebrate the Confederacy, a nation of traitors (and ultimately losers) that was created in order to further human bondage and subjugation.

As for the Mueller Report, as far as I'm concerned there's enough there right now to justify an impeachment inquiry for obstruction of justice. Don McGahn's testimony alone is probably enough, which is why Donny is fighting tooth and nail to keep McGahn from testifying. And although it may not have been a crime, I think that a candidate for office who knowingly accepts the help of a hostile foreign government also deserves to be impeached and removed. But that's because I'm more loyal to America than I am to Russia, or to any political party. --Bob

Of course you are. There's more hate and lies in the drivel that you have just written than anything the president has ever said or done. I really don't know what has happened in this country to make formerly reasonable ( I assume) people like you act like raving maniacs at the mention of the guy's name. I seriously would imagine people who bought Hitler's propaganda in Germany were that way about Jewish people.

[Spock]

Very fine people in this day and age don't celebrate the Confederacy, a nation of traitors (and ultimately losers) that was created in order to further human bondage and subjugation.

It's funny how you don't see anyone in Germany wanting to "celebrate their heritage" by erecting statues of Hitler, Goebbels, or any of the military leaders, and they don't name streets or schools after them either.

The drive to "celebrate" the Confederacy came in the early 1900s as a means of asserting white racial superiority.

You are scarily, sadly repetitive.

I submit that whatever the Confederate soldiers were, they weren't traitors. Prior to the Civil War, people viewed themselves more as citizens of a state than of the country. Meaning their primary loyalty was to their state.

Remember, even in the North it was the states that raised the units. For example, First Pennsylvania etc etc

Prior to the war it was common to say "The United States Are."

After the war it was "The United States Is."

That is one thing the war settled.

But that would be too complex an argument for you and it doesn't fit your tactical political mindset.

[silverscreenselect]

But that would be too complex an argument for you and it doesn't fit your tactical political mindset.

As usual, you have no idea what my mindset is. The question of whether the United States was an indivisible nation or a confederation like the European Union was definitely unsettled in 1861 (although the Civil War pretty much settled that issue). Definitely, the enlisted men and lower-ranking officers were doing what they believed was their duty. As for the senior officers, it was more of a gray area. But as far as the politicians like Jefferson Davis were concerned, they were definitely guilty of treason as it's defined in the Constitution (although the relative lack of prosecution was more a matter of political expediency than legal insufficiency). Further, their actions in seceding for the purpose of the perpetuation of slavery (and causing thousands of deaths and enormous destruction in the process) are morally reprehensible.

And that still begs the question of just when all these monuments were erected... not immediately after the Civil War but decades later. They coincided with the rise of the Ku Klux Klan and passage of various Jim Crow laws and were intended not as a monument to former soldiers but a symbol of white power, especially to the blacks in those cities who had to look at the statues every day. In addition, there was a secondary spike in erecting these statues and monuments in the 1950s and 60s, during the Civil Rights Era.

[Estonut]

And that still begs the question of just when all these monuments were erected... not immediately after the Civil War but decades later. They coincided with the rise of the Ku Klux Klan and passage of various Jim Crow laws and were intended not as a monument to former soldiers but a symbol of white power, especially to the blacks in those cities who had to look at the statues every day. In addition, there was a secondary spike in erecting these statues and monuments in the 1950s and 60s, during the Civil Rights Era.

I found the following in the Wikipedia article, List of Confederate monuments and memorials:

Many more monuments were dedicated in the years after 1890, when Congress established the first National Military Park at Chickamauga and Chattanooga, and by the turn of the twentieth century, five battlefields from the Civil War had been preserved: Chickamauga-Chattanooga, Antietam, Gettysburg, Shiloh, and Vicksburg. At Vicksburg National Military Park, more than 95 percent of the park's monuments were erected in the first eighteen years after the park was established in 1899.

You failed to mention that the first wave of monuments also coincided with the creation of the National Military Parks where they were installed. Also, scanning the article for dates in the 1950s and 60s, it appears to be much less of a definitive secondary spike than you make it out to be.

[silverscreenselect]

You failed to mention that the first wave of monuments also coincided with the creation of the National Military Parks where they were installed. Also, scanning the article for dates in the 1950s and 60s, it appears to be much less of a definitive secondary spike than you make it out to be.

Nice try, but if you'll look at the data compiled this year by the Southern Poverty Law Center, you'll see that the vast majority of monuments and other commemorations listed have nothing whatsoever to do with military parks. And, having been to Chickamauga and Kennesaw Mountain Parks here in Georgia, the monuments there are in the nature of tributes to both Union and Confederate forces that fought (and often died) during the battle and are typically located where the particular unit was stationed during the battle.

The study identified 1,747 publicly sponsored symbols honoring Confederate leaders, soldiers or the Confederate States of America in general. These include monuments and statues; flags; holidays and other observances; and the names of schools, highways, parks, bridges, counties, cities, lakes, dams, roads, military bases and other public works. Many of these are prominent displays in major cities and at state capitols.

--There are 103 public K-12 schools and three colleges named after prominent Confederates. At least 34 of these schools/colleges were built or dedicated from 1950 to 1970, broadly encompassing the era of the modern civil rights movement.

-- The study identified 780 monuments at county courthouses, town squares, state capitols and other public venues. The majority (604) were dedicated before 1950. Twenty eight were dedicated between 1950 and 1970. Thirty-four were dedicated after 2000. Many of these are memorials to Confederate soldiers, typically inscribed with colorful language extolling their heroism and valor, or, sometimes, the details of particular battles or local units. Some go further, however, to glorify the Confederacy’s cause. For example, in Abbeville, South Carolina, a monument erected in 1906 is inscribed with a poem that reads, in part: “The world shall yet decide, in truth’s clear, far-off light, that the soldiers who wore the gray, and died with Lee, were in the right.”

-- Excluded from this count in this survey were thousands of monuments, markers, names or other tributes located on or within battlefields, museums, cemeteries or other places that are largely historical in nature. Markers that appeared to be approved by historical commissions were also excluded.

https://www.splcenter.org/20190201/whos ... onfederacy

[flockofseagulls104]

You failed to mention that the first wave of monuments also coincided with the creation of the National Military Parks where they were installed. Also, scanning the article for dates in the 1950s and 60s, it appears to be much less of a definitive secondary spike than you make it out to be.

Nice try, but if you'll look at the data compiled this year by the Southern Poverty Law Center, you'll see that the vast majority of monuments and other commemorations listed have nothing whatsoever to do with military parks. And, having been to Chickamauga and Kennesaw Mountain Parks here in Georgia, the monuments there are in the nature of tributes to both Union and Confederate forces that fought (and often died) during the battle and are typically located where the particular unit was stationed during the battle.

The study identified 1,747 publicly sponsored symbols honoring Confederate leaders, soldiers or the Confederate States of America in general. These include monuments and statues; flags; holidays and other observances; and the names of schools, highways, parks, bridges, counties, cities, lakes, dams, roads, military bases and other public works. Many of these are prominent displays in major cities and at state capitols.

--There are 103 public K-12 schools and three colleges named after prominent Confederates. At least 34 of these schools/colleges were built or dedicated from 1950 to 1970, broadly encompassing the era of the modern civil rights movement.

-- The study identified 780 monuments at county courthouses, town squares, state capitols and other public venues. The majority (604) were dedicated before 1950. Twenty eight were dedicated between 1950 and 1970. Thirty-four were dedicated after 2000. Many of these are memorials to Confederate soldiers, typically inscribed with colorful language extolling their heroism and valor, or, sometimes, the details of particular battles or local units. Some go further, however, to glorify the Confederacy’s cause. For example, in Abbeville, South Carolina, a monument erected in 1906 is inscribed with a poem that reads, in part: “The world shall yet decide, in truth’s clear, far-off light, that the soldiers who wore the gray, and died with Lee, were in the right.”

-- Excluded from this count in this survey were thousands of monuments, markers, names or other tributes located on or within battlefields, museums, cemeteries or other places that are largely historical in nature. Markers that appeared to be approved by historical commissions were also excluded.

https://www.splcenter.org/20190201/whos ... onfederacy

The splc is a hate group.