Leaving a New York Times reporter to rot in jail

[Bob78164]

Or worse. From the publisher of the New York Times:

Two years ago, we got a call from a United States government official warning us of the imminent arrest of a New York Times reporter based in Egypt named Declan Walsh. Though the news was alarming, the call was actually fairly standard. Over the years, we’ve received countless such warnings from American diplomats, military leaders and national security officials.

But this particular call took a surprising and distressing turn. We learned the official was passing along this warning without the knowledge or permission of the Trump administration. Rather than trying to stop the Egyptian government or assist the reporter, the official believed, the Trump administration intended to sit on the information and let the arrest be carried out. The official feared being punished for even alerting us to the danger.

Unable to count on our own government to prevent the arrest or help free Declan if he were imprisoned, we turned to his native country, Ireland, for help. Within an hour, Irish diplomats traveled to his house and safely escorted him to the airport before Egyptian forces could detain him.

We hate to imagine what would have happened had that brave official not risked their career to alert us to the threat.

Eighteen months later, another of our reporters, David Kirkpatrick, arrived in Egypt and was detained and deported in apparent retaliation for exposing information that was embarrassing to the Egyptian government. When we protested the move, a senior official at the United States Embassy in Cairo openly voiced the cynical worldview behind the Trump administration’s tolerance for such crackdowns. “What did you expect would happen to him?” he said. “His reporting made the government look bad.”

And of course, we have Donny using American foreign policy in an effort to pressure a foreign government to gin up non-existent dirt on a domestic political opponent.

What will it take for Donny's enablers in the Republican Party to remember that they are Americans first, and stop supporting Donny? --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

Or worse. From the publisher of the New York Times:

Two years ago, we got a call from a United States government official warning us of the imminent arrest of a New York Times reporter based in Egypt named Declan Walsh. Though the news was alarming, the call was actually fairly standard. Over the years, we’ve received countless such warnings from American diplomats, military leaders and national security officials.

But this particular call took a surprising and distressing turn. We learned the official was passing along this warning without the knowledge or permission of the Trump administration. Rather than trying to stop the Egyptian government or assist the reporter, the official believed, the Trump administration intended to sit on the information and let the arrest be carried out. The official feared being punished for even alerting us to the danger.

Unable to count on our own government to prevent the arrest or help free Declan if he were imprisoned, we turned to his native country, Ireland, for help. Within an hour, Irish diplomats traveled to his house and safely escorted him to the airport before Egyptian forces could detain him.

We hate to imagine what would have happened had that brave official not risked their career to alert us to the threat.

Eighteen months later, another of our reporters, David Kirkpatrick, arrived in Egypt and was detained and deported in apparent retaliation for exposing information that was embarrassing to the Egyptian government. When we protested the move, a senior official at the United States Embassy in Cairo openly voiced the cynical worldview behind the Trump administration’s tolerance for such crackdowns. “What did you expect would happen to him?” he said. “His reporting made the government look bad.”

And of course, we have Donny using American foreign policy in an effort to pressure a foreign government to gin up non-existent dirt on a domestic political opponent.

What will it take for Donny's enablers in the Republican Party to remember that they are Americans first, and stop supporting Donny? --Bob

BWBJ, first of all, your political party is FULL of people that are anything but Americans first. Not one of the candidates that are running for president from your party have any intention of representing me, my values or the values and issues that matter to me or millions of other people. If your party could put forward just one candidate who isn't certifiably insane, there might be a choice. But once again, trump is the lesser of two evils. That is one reason for continuing to support trump getting a second term. Another is that he has accomplished a lot of good things despite the despicable work of the 'resistance'.

Second of all, NO ONE has seen a transcript or heard the phone call in question. Have you, BWBT? All that has been reported about this issue has come from 'sources familiar with the situation', which means that everything we know about this situation is a rumor and speculation. (Sound familiar?) But that's what passes as journalism these days. If any of the reporting is to be believed, it is reported that the actual whistleblower him or herself was a third party, not having been in attendance for the actual call.

Both the president and the new president of Ukraine have both stated nothing controversial was said in their conversation. And it is concerning that anyone leaked to the press anything, correctly or incorrectly, about this conversation. Our president and all other heads of state assume their conversations are confidential, and if that is shown to be not the case on our side, it sabotages our relations with other countries. But the dems don't seem to take that under consideration, do they?

Oh:

non-existent dirt on a domestic political opponent.

I guess the bat phone didn't get this one:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... 7436939264

But you're not concerned that he ACTUALLY ADMITTED to doing what these rumors are speculating the president might have done. Why not?

OOOH! OOOOH! I know!!!!

[silverscreenselect]

Not one of the candidates that are running for president from your party have any intention of representing me, my values or the values and issues that matter to me or millions of other people.

And why should they? Your values are the values of a minority of the public on issue after issue. The biggest mistake that the Democrats make is over and over again trying to "work with Republicans." At one time, that idea had merit, when Hubert Humphrey and Everett Dirksen could put their heads together and compromise. But that was half a century ago. Now, the Republicans treat politics as open warfare, with more and more Democrats, including members of Congress to be ridiculed or vilified.

It's ironic that the only major Democratic candidate who made a point out of saying that he could work with Republicans was Joe Biden and look what it got him. Trump blackmails the Ukraine to get dirt on Biden and his son. You can fall back on your "fake news" mantra whenever you want. It's amazing that anyone would give Trump any credence after the hundreds of documented lies he's been caught up in.

The only one sabotaging our relationship with foreign countries is Donald Trump and he does it on a nearly daily basis.

[BackInTex]

But you're not concerned that he ACTUALLY ADMITTED to doing what these rumors are speculating the president might have done. Why not?

OOOH! OOOOH! I know!!!!

Bob thinks that running for the Democratic nomination for President is a "get out of jail free" card and that none of them should be investigated for anything. But if you are running for the Republican nomination, whoo boy! Just one of the many kooky things he thinks.

[flockofseagulls104]

Not one of the candidates that are running for president from your party have any intention of representing me, my values or the values and issues that matter to me or millions of other people.

And why should they? Your values are the values of a minority of the public on issue after issue. The biggest mistake that the Democrats make is over and over again trying to "work with Republicans." At one time, that idea had merit, when Hubert Humphrey and Everett Dirksen could put their heads together and compromise. But that was half a century ago. Now, the Republicans treat politics as open warfare, with more and more Democrats, including members of Congress to be ridiculed or vilified.

It's ironic that the only major Democratic candidate who made a point out of saying that he could work with Republicans was Joe Biden and look what it got him. Trump blackmails the Ukraine to get dirt on Biden and his son. You can fall back on your "fake news" mantra whenever you want. It's amazing that anyone would give Trump any credence after the hundreds of documented lies he's been caught up in.

The only one sabotaging our relationship with foreign countries is Donald Trump and he does it on a nearly daily basis.

A perfect example of the insanity I spoke about. Thank you, troll.

[Bob78164]

So, my question was, what will it take to get Donny's Republican enablers to stop enabling him? I got the answer I expected: More than this.

Half of the problem is that these people have taken over the Republican Party -- you can't oppose their views and expect to win a Republican primary almost anywhere in the nation. The rest of the problem is that Republican officeholders are too craven (I'm talking to you, Lindsey Graham) to put the country's interests about their own interest in getting reelected.

There really is only one solution. This won't stop until we've completed the process of grinding the national Republican Party into the electoral dust. It took 20 years in California, and it may take at least that long in the nation. But the Republican Party has clearly demonstrated that it does not deserve a role in our future. And that means voting against all Republicans, everywhere, for every office, until politicians realize that the Republican brand is so toxic that they will abandon it in self-preservation.

Perhaps then we'll return to a viable two-party system. --Bob

[tlynn78]

So, my question was, what will it take to get Donny's Republican enablers to stop enabling him? I got the answer I expected: More than this.

Half of the problem is that these people have taken over the Republican Party -- you can't oppose their views and expect to win a Republican primary almost anywhere in the nation. The rest of the problem is that Republican officeholders are too craven (I'm talking to you, Lindsey Graham) to put the country's interests about their own interest in getting reelected.

There really is only one solution. This won't stop until we've completed the process of grinding the national Republican Party into the electoral dust. It took 20 years in California, and it may take at least that long in the nation. But the Republican Party has clearly demonstrated that it does not deserve a role in our future. And that means voting against all Republicans, everywhere, for every office, until politicians realize that the Republican brand is so toxic that they will abandon it in self-preservation.

Perhaps then we'll return to a viable two-party system. --Bob

LMAO! Let me guess, the NEW 'second party' must be vetted and approved by YOU? You are utterly ridiculous, and sadly delusional.

[flockofseagulls104]

So, my question was, what will it take to get Donny's Republican enablers to stop enabling him? I got the answer I expected: More than this.

Half of the problem is that these people have taken over the Republican Party -- you can't oppose their views and expect to win a Republican primary almost anywhere in the nation. The rest of the problem is that Republican officeholders are too craven (I'm talking to you, Lindsey Graham) to put the country's interests about their own interest in getting reelected.

There really is only one solution. This won't stop until we've completed the process of grinding the national Republican Party into the electoral dust. It took 20 years in California, and it may take at least that long in the nation. But the Republican Party has clearly demonstrated that it does not deserve a role in our future. And that means voting against all Republicans, everywhere, for every office, until politicians realize that the Republican brand is so toxic that they will abandon it in self-preservation.

Perhaps then we'll return to a viable two-party system. --Bob

The democrat party is showing us the way.

[silverscreenselect]

But that's what passes as journalism these days. If any of the reporting is to be believed, it is reported that the actual whistleblower him or herself was a third party, not having been in attendance for the actual call.

Both the president and the new president of Ukraine have both stated nothing controversial was said in their conversation. And it is concerning that anyone leaked to the press anything, correctly or incorrectly, about this conversation. Our president and all other heads of state assume their conversations are confidential, and if that is shown to be not the case on our side, it sabotages our relations with other countries. But the dems don't seem to take that under consideration, do they?

Well, here's somebody else who's been in touch with the batphone:

Judge Andrew Napolitano told Fox News host Shepard Smith on Tuesday that the president effectively confessed to a crime when he admitted he asked Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. Napolitano, a Fox News senior judicial analyst, had framed President Trump's earlier statement as an admission that he tried to "solicit aid for his campaign from a foreign government."

“So that to which the president has admitted is in and of itself a crime,” Smith followed. Napolitano responded, "yes," and claimed it was the same crime former Special Counsel Robert Mueller investigated as part of the long-running Russia investigation.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/judge-nap ... tted-crime

Flock, if you were on the Titanic, you'd probably think that the reason you were getting wet is because someone let their sink overflow.

[Bob78164]

Maybe some Senate Republicans watched British Members of Parliament break ranks with their party and remembered what it's like to have a spine. Maybe they saw the British Supreme Court unanimously reject as illegal Boris Johnson's attempt to prorogue Parliament. But for whatever reason, the Senate has voted unanimously to demand that the Administration release the full whistleblower complaint.

So maybe all the people on this Bored trying to defend Donny's conduct here might want to keep their powder dry. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

Maybe some Senate Republicans watched British Members of Parliament break ranks with their party and remembered what it's like to have a spine. Maybe they saw the British Supreme Court unanimously reject as illegal Boris Johnson's attempt to prorogue Parliament. But for whatever reason, the Senate has voted unanimously to demand that the Administration release the full whistleblower complaint.

So maybe all the people on this Bored trying to defend Donny's conduct here might want to keep their powder dry. --Bob

BWBJ, when was the last time the dems in Congress broke ranks on anything proposed by a conservative? They vote as a bloc on everything. When have they ever compromised on anything?
Talk about people who live in glass houses. Ask Bret Kavanaugh about the spine of the democrats.

[Bob78164]

Maybe some Senate Republicans watched British Members of Parliament break ranks with their party and remembered what it's like to have a spine. Maybe they saw the British Supreme Court unanimously reject as illegal Boris Johnson's attempt to prorogue Parliament. But for whatever reason, the Senate has voted unanimously to demand that the Administration release the full whistleblower complaint.

So maybe all the people on this Bored trying to defend Donny's conduct here might want to keep their powder dry. --Bob

BWBJ, when was the last time the dems in Congress broke ranks on anything proposed by a conservative? They vote as a bloc on everything. When have they ever compromised on anything?
Talk about people who live in glass houses. Ask Bret Kavanaugh about the spine of the democrats.

I'm not sure whom you're addressing, but I'll respond. Senator Franken and Governor Spitzer probably have a thing or two to say about the willingness of Democrats to tolerate intolerable conduct. David Vitter was a pilot demonstration of the willingness of Republicans to accept criminal conduct. So is Greg Gianforte.

And I'm pretty sure the Justice spells his name Brett. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

BWBJ, when was the last time the dems in Congress broke ranks on anything proposed by a conservative? They vote as a bloc on everything. When have they ever compromised on anything?

And, as usual when you pull misconceptions out of your rear end to fit your preconceived notions, you are absolutely wrong, Flock.

Here are the figures for how often the Senate and House have voted with Trump since he became President. Of course, some of these measures aren't controversial, but you see a fair number of Democrats voting with Trump more than others do, which indicates that they don't always vote as a bloc by any means.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/co ... ump-score/

[flockofseagulls104]

So, my question was, what will it take to get Donny's Republican enablers to stop enabling him?

Exactly what is it I am enabling him to do? I don't know. Do his job? Be specific. Don't use the batphone. I don't want dem talking points or unsubstantiated cliches. Tell me what I am enabling him to do, BWBJ.

A more meaningful question is what will it take before the president's democratic saboteurs will stop harassing him and do their jobs? First it was the mueller probe which did not work. Then nadler's stupidity. All the meaningless leaking from their friends in the government that were made into psuedo-events. Now it's impeachment over a rumor that has been pretty much debunked by the facts. When will they (you) stop? Better yet, when will these people be held accountable?

Spoiler

I predict the next post or soon thereafter will be from the troll, even though this question is not addressed to him, repeating the same old tired shit and ignoring the point of this post altogether so he can tell me how uninformed and stupid I am. And he will probably cite some article from some batphone buffoon to 'prove' it to me. Wait for it......

[silverscreenselect]

so he can tell me how uninformed and stupid I am. And he will probably cite some article from some batphone buffoon to 'prove' it to me. Wait for it.....

Why should I post some article from a "batphone buffoon" when the actual buffoon already proves my point with posts like these?

And the next time that Trump actually does his job will be the first.

[Bob78164]

So, my question was, what will it take to get Donny's Republican enablers to stop enabling him?

Exactly what is it I am enabling him to do? I don't know. Do his job? Be specific. Don't use the batphone. I don't want dem talking points or unsubstantiated cliches. Tell me what I am enabling him to do, BWBJ.

A more meaningful question is what will it take before the president's democratic saboteurs will stop harassing him and do their jobs? First it was the mueller probe which did not work. Then nadler's stupidity. All the meaningless leaking from their friends in the government that were made into psuedo-events. Now it's impeachment over a rumor that has been pretty much debunked by the facts. When will they (you) stop? Better yet, when will these people be held accountable?

Spoiler

I predict the next post or soon thereafter will be from the troll, even though this question is not addressed to him, repeating the same old tired shit and ignoring the point of this post altogether so he can tell me how uninformed and stupid I am. And he will probably cite some article from some batphone buffoon to 'prove' it to me. Wait for it......

Now I’m concerned that you’ve lost touch with reality. Precisely what do you believe to constitute rumor? What facts do you believe debunk those rumors? In your factual analysis, remember to account for Donny’s admissions and the rough transcript of the phone call. Because it sure looks to me like he was using the power of his office to solicit (strong-arm would be more accurate) a foreign government for a campaign contribution in the form of invented opposition research against a domestic political opponent. And that’s illegal. Which appears to be why Dan Coats left the Administration so abruptly.

I’m increasingly confident that Donny will be indicted sometime in 2021. And he’ll deserve it.

And your post wasn’t addressed to anyone on this Bored so I don’t understand why you think it would be inappropriate for sss to include himself in the conversation. —Bob

[BackInTex]

..solicit (strong-arm would be more accurate) a foreign government for a campaign contribution in the form of invented opposition research against a domestic political opponent. And that’s illegal. —Bob

But not to benefit one's family? Right? R..i..g..h..t

[flockofseagulls104]

So, my question was, what will it take to get Donny's Republican enablers to stop enabling him?

Exactly what is it I am enabling him to do? I don't know. Do his job? Be specific. Don't use the batphone. I don't want dem talking points or unsubstantiated cliches. Tell me what I am enabling him to do, BWBJ.

A more meaningful question is what will it take before the president's democratic saboteurs will stop harassing him and do their jobs? First it was the mueller probe which did not work. Then nadler's stupidity. All the meaningless leaking from their friends in the government that were made into psuedo-events. Now it's impeachment over a rumor that has been pretty much debunked by the facts. When will they (you) stop? Better yet, when will these people be held accountable?

Spoiler

I predict the next post or soon thereafter will be from the troll, even though this question is not addressed to him, repeating the same old tired shit and ignoring the point of this post altogether so he can tell me how uninformed and stupid I am. And he will probably cite some article from some batphone buffoon to 'prove' it to me. Wait for it......

Now I’m concerned that you’ve lost touch with reality. Precisely what do you believe to constitute rumor? What facts do you believe debunk those rumors? In your factual analysis, remember to account for Donny’s admissions and the rough transcript of the phone call. Because it sure looks to me like he was using the power of his office to solicit (strong-arm would be more accurate) a foreign government for a campaign contribution in the form of invented opposition research against a domestic political opponent. And that’s illegal. Which appears to be why Dan Coats left the Administration so abruptly.

I’m increasingly confident that Donny will be indicted sometime in 2021. And he’ll deserve it.

And your post wasn’t addressed to anyone on this Bored so I don’t understand why you think it would be inappropriate for sss to include himself in the conversation. —Bob

I will ignore your grandstanding and ask you again: What am I enabling him to do?

Just as an aside, tell me about the Steele Dossier that was used to start this 2 1/2 year wild goose chase. Was that not paid for information gotten from a foreign government against a domestic political opponent? Tell me about Biden's admission that he blackmailed Ukraine into firing a prosecutor? Why no outrage there? But you're outraged about a phone call which you can read yourself and has been verified by both parties as not being what you said above? That is not rumor anymore, but we still haven't seen what the whistleblower actually said. That is still rumor and innuendo. Lots of questions about that. And you call me out of touch with reality?

As you can see above, I did address it to the Big Word Bob Juch, which is you. I predicted correctly. Not that I care if he sticks his 1/2 cent in, because it's always the same bullshit from the troll. He has no answers. He is just trying his best to be annoying.

[Bob78164]

Exactly what is it I am enabling him to do? I don't know. Do his job? Be specific. Don't use the batphone. I don't want dem talking points or unsubstantiated cliches. Tell me what I am enabling him to do, BWBJ.

A more meaningful question is what will it take before the president's democratic saboteurs will stop harassing him and do their jobs? First it was the mueller probe which did not work. Then nadler's stupidity. All the meaningless leaking from their friends in the government that were made into psuedo-events. Now it's impeachment over a rumor that has been pretty much debunked by the facts. When will they (you) stop? Better yet, when will these people be held accountable?

Spoiler

I predict the next post or soon thereafter will be from the troll, even though this question is not addressed to him, repeating the same old tired shit and ignoring the point of this post altogether so he can tell me how uninformed and stupid I am. And he will probably cite some article from some batphone buffoon to 'prove' it to me. Wait for it......

Now I’m concerned that you’ve lost touch with reality. Precisely what do you believe to constitute rumor? What facts do you believe debunk those rumors? In your factual analysis, remember to account for Donny’s admissions and the rough transcript of the phone call. Because it sure looks to me like he was using the power of his office to solicit (strong-arm would be more accurate) a foreign government for a campaign contribution in the form of invented opposition research against a domestic political opponent. And that’s illegal. Which appears to be why Dan Coats left the Administration so abruptly.

I’m increasingly confident that Donny will be indicted sometime in 2021. And he’ll deserve it.

And your post wasn’t addressed to anyone on this Bored so I don’t understand why you think it would be inappropriate for sss to include himself in the conversation. —Bob

I will ignore your grandstanding and ask you again: What am I enabling him to do?

Just as an aside, tell me about the Steele Dossier that was used to start this 2 1/2 year wild goose chase. Was that not paid for information gotten from a foreign government against a domestic political opponent? Tell me about Biden's admission that he blackmailed Ukraine into firing a prosecutor? Why no outrage there? But you're outraged about a phone call which you can read yourself and has been verified by both parties as not being what you said above? That is not rumor anymore, but we still haven't seen what the whistleblower actually said. That is still rumor and innuendo. Lots of questions about that. And you call me out of touch with reality?

As you can see above, I did address it to the Big Word Bob Juch, which is you. I predicted correctly. Not that I care if he sticks his 1/2 cent in, because it's always the same bullshit from the troll. He has no answers. He is just trying his best to be annoying.

To state the obvious, I'm not Bob Juch. There are even witnesses on this very Bored to the two of us being in the same place at the same time.

And I'm not willing to engage with someone so delusional as to believe that the Ukraine scandal is "a rumor that has pretty much been debunked by the facts." Explain yourself or not -- that's your choice. But I'm not going to waste time and electrons engaging until you do. --Bob

[silverscreenselect]

Tell me about Biden's admission that he blackmailed Ukraine into firing a prosecutor? Why no outrage there?

Biden's comments were some of his common foot-in-mouth variety garblings. If you choose to view that as reason not to support him for President, I certainly wouldn't argue with you. As to whether that's admission that he blackmailed the Ukraine into firing the prosecutor, that's another story. The prosecutor in question was widely seen as either incompetent or corrupt or both, not doing anything to investigate corruption in the country. Great Britain brought economic pressure against the Ukraine to take action to remove the prosecutor, and eventually the US joined in. Biden is quite probably exaggerating his influence in the entire affair. But a number of other European countries were behind the effort as well.

Ironically, if Biden's son had been involved in illicit activities (of which he had actually been cleared previously), Biden's actions would have made it more likely that Hunter would have faced prosecution at the hands of a prosecutor more prone to actually prosecute people. So, even accepting your argument, Biden put pressure on the Ukraine to fire a prosecutor and by so doing put his son in more legal jeopardy. Trump put pressure on the Ukraine to put his political opponent in legal jeopardy. Maybe even you can see the distinction.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... -complaint

[Bob78164]

Tell me about Biden's admission that he blackmailed Ukraine into firing a prosecutor? Why no outrage there?

Biden's comments were some of his common foot-in-mouth variety garblings. If you choose to view that as reason not to support him for President, I certainly wouldn't argue with you. As to whether that's admission that he blackmailed the Ukraine into firing the prosecutor, that's another story. The prosecutor in question was widely seen as either incompetent or corrupt or both, not doing anything to investigate corruption in the country. Great Britain brought economic pressure against the Ukraine to take action to remove the prosecutor, and eventually the US joined in. Biden is quite probably exaggerating his influence in the entire affair. But a number of other European countries were behind the effort as well.

Ironically, if Biden's son had been involved in illicit activities (of which he had actually been cleared previously), Biden's actions would have made it more likely that Hunter would have faced prosecution at the hands of a prosecutor more prone to actually prosecute people. So, even accepting your argument, Biden put pressure on the Ukraine to fire a prosecutor and by so doing put his son in more legal jeopardy. Trump put pressure on the Ukraine to put his political opponent in legal jeopardy. Maybe even you can see the distinction.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... -complaint

Moreover, Vice President Biden was acting at the direction of President Obama, and the whole thing occurred after that prosecutor had already concluded his investigation of the company Biden's son was involved in. There really is no "there" there.

This is nothing more than Donny's usual tactic. When he gets caught, he points somewhere else, making up as much shit as necessary to get people's attention. Best not to feed the troll. Stay on the actual scandal. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

Tell me about Biden's admission that he blackmailed Ukraine into firing a prosecutor? Why no outrage there?

Biden's comments were some of his common foot-in-mouth variety garblings. If you choose to view that as reason not to support him for President, I certainly wouldn't argue with you. As to whether that's admission that he blackmailed the Ukraine into firing the prosecutor, that's another story. The prosecutor in question was widely seen as either incompetent or corrupt or both, not doing anything to investigate corruption in the country. Great Britain brought economic pressure against the Ukraine to take action to remove the prosecutor, and eventually the US joined in. Biden is quite probably exaggerating his influence in the entire affair. But a number of other European countries were behind the effort as well.

Ironically, if Biden's son had been involved in illicit activities (of which he had actually been cleared previously), Biden's actions would have made it more likely that Hunter would have faced prosecution at the hands of a prosecutor more prone to actually prosecute people. So, even accepting your argument, Biden put pressure on the Ukraine to fire a prosecutor and by so doing put his son in more legal jeopardy. Trump put pressure on the Ukraine to put his political opponent in legal jeopardy. Maybe even you can see the distinction.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... -complaint

Moreover, Vice President Biden was acting at the direction of President Obama, and the whole thing occurred after that prosecutor had already concluded his investigation of the company Biden's son was involved in. There really is no "there" there.

This is nothing more than Donny's usual tactic. When he gets caught, he points somewhere else, making up as much shit as necessary to get people's attention. Best not to feed the troll. Stay on the actual scandal. --Bob

What scandal are you referring to? I don't see any scandal. But you seem to see scandals everywhere.
You STILL have not told me what you think I am enabling trump to do.

[Bob78164]

What scandal are you referring to? I don't see any scandal.

Then you truly are delusional.

Good luck with your treatment. --Bob

[flockofseagulls104]

What scandal are you referring to? I don't see any scandal.

Then you truly are delusional.

Good luck with your treatment. --Bob

You still haven't explained what exactly I am enabling trump to do. 3rd or 4th time you have avoided the question. You have heard some dopey, insane, knucklehead pundit use that phrase on MSLSD or some other propaganda outlet, and thought it sounded profound. But you, like the insane pundit, have no idea what exactly it refers to, just that it sounds good.

[Bob78164]

This is interesting. Before the transcript was released, Chris Christie said that the transcript wouldn't be a problem unless Donny made the request using language such as "Do me a favor."

Guess what words Donny used in the rough transcript. --Bob