I can't do links on this tablet, but heard on NPR.
Maybe there will be a movement against frost-free freezers (a thing I'm ticked off about). As well as against building insulation that feeds fires, which seems to be why this fire spread.
Hotpoint freezer, if you're checking brands.
London fire caused by fire in freezer
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
I have heard that Freon is less explosive than isobutane
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Greenpeace developed Greenfreeze technology in 1992 utilising isobutane and propane as refrigerants and cyclopentane for producing the insulating foam. According to the environmental group, the technology is currently used in over 300 million refrigerators worldwide.
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feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
Absolutely true. Also was able to cool at a much lower pressure, requiring less power and giving higher efficiencies.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I have heard that Freon is less explosive than isobutane
On a related note, asbestos is a much better insulator than the flammable stuff they apparently used.
Wonder why they quit using them?
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
Because some asbestos is dangerous we quit using any asbestosmrkelley23 wrote:Absolutely true. Also was able to cool at a much lower pressure, requiring less power and giving higher efficiencies.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I have heard that Freon is less explosive than isobutane
On a related note, asbestos is a much better insulator than the flammable stuff they apparently used.
Wonder why they quit using them?
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feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
From Home Depot, most likely.ghostjmf wrote: Hotpoint freezer, if you're checking brands.
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
The biggest issue in the fire was the design of the cladding that was installed. Any fire, regardless of the cause was a potential disaster due to the efficient (but unintended) chimney design of the cladding. Once the fire started, the cladding provided an efficient and effective flow of oxygen to the fire and a path for it to quickly spread upward,outside of the building, but inside the cladding.
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Vandal wrote:From Home Depot, most likely.ghostjmf wrote: Hotpoint freezer, if you're checking brands.
I'm glad someone said it, because I was very tempted...
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
Reminds me of the time Ace got in trouble because a nutjob turned him in for floor tiles that allegedly contained encapsulated asbestos.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Because some asbestos is dangerous we quit using any asbestosmrkelley23 wrote:Absolutely true. Also was able to cool at a much lower pressure, requiring less power and giving higher efficiencies.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:I have heard that Freon is less explosive than isobutane
On a related note, asbestos is a much better insulator than the flammable stuff they apparently used.
Wonder why they quit using them?
I think my neighbor has old asbestos siding shingles under the siding. Guess I will go file a suit next week. Of course his basement is filled with pipes that had the asbestos insulation ripped off of it at the beginning of the 'all asbestos is bad' years. Still has loose strands hanging off some IIRC.
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
He should have sealed it with lead paint.eyégor wrote:Reminds me of the time Ace got in trouble because a nutjob turned him in for floor tiles that allegedly contained encapsulated asbestos.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Because some asbestos is dangerous we quit using any asbestosmrkelley23 wrote:
Absolutely true. Also was able to cool at a much lower pressure, requiring less power and giving higher efficiencies.
On a related note, asbestos is a much better insulator than the flammable stuff they apparently used.
Wonder why they quit using them?
I think my neighbor has old asbestos siding shingles under the siding. Guess I will go file a suit next week. Of course his basement is filled with pipes that had the asbestos insulation ripped off of it at the beginning of the 'all asbestos is bad' years. Still has loose strands hanging off some IIRC.
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
I was thinking Aquanet, from 1975SpacemanSpiff wrote:He should have sealed it with lead paint.eyégor wrote:Reminds me of the time Ace got in trouble because a nutjob turned him in for floor tiles that allegedly contained encapsulated asbestos.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:
Because some asbestos is dangerous we quit using any asbestos
I think my neighbor has old asbestos siding shingles under the siding. Guess I will go file a suit next week. Of course his basement is filled with pipes that had the asbestos insulation ripped off of it at the beginning of the 'all asbestos is bad' years. Still has loose strands hanging off some IIRC.
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
eyégor wrote:I was thinking Aquanet, from 1975
I might still have some of that. In my hair.....
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
The brand name should have been a clue.ghostjmf wrote:I can't do links on this tablet, but heard on NPR.
Maybe there will be a movement against frost-free freezers (a thing I'm ticked off about). As well as against building insulation that feeds fires, which seems to be why this fire spread.
Hotpoint freezer, if you're checking brands.
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: London fire caused by fire in freezer
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.