Unless you were there for the call, you're full of shit. You couldn't possibly know any of that to be true.Bob Juch wrote:What you think is apparently wrong. Maybe he can't read. He didn't remember and didn't look at anything; he just didn't know.Estonut wrote:He was calling 4 different families. I'd think they'd have prepared a card for each, listing parents, spouses, kids, kids ages, etc.. Pertinent information for each call.Bob Juch wrote:So why do you assume he had the names and numbers in front of him?
I'm surprised to see that you think he's smart enough to remember such information for each call.
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yes, and Trump was letting the people in Puerto Rico die. You can believe it. It was on video, the mayor said so.Estonut wrote:Unless you were there for the call, you're full of shit. You couldn't possibly know any of that to be true.Bob Juch wrote:What you think is apparently wrong. Maybe he can't read. He didn't remember and didn't look at anything; he just didn't know.Estonut wrote:He was calling 4 different families. I'd think they'd have prepared a card for each, listing parents, spouses, kids, kids ages, etc.. Pertinent information for each call.
I'm surprised to see that you think he's smart enough to remember such information for each call.
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You think the widow was lying when she said that Donny didn't know her husband's name? --BobBackInTex wrote:yes, and Trump was letting the people in Puerto Rico die. You can believe it. It was on video, the mayor said so.Estonut wrote:Unless you were there for the call, you're full of shit. You couldn't possibly know any of that to be true.Bob Juch wrote:What you think is apparently wrong. Maybe he can't read. He didn't remember and didn't look at anything; he just didn't know.
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I've not seen any quotes from the widow, only the Rep and her mother.Bob78164 wrote:You think the widow was lying when she said that Donny didn't know her husband's name? --BobBackInTex wrote:yes, and Trump was letting the people in Puerto Rico die. You can believe it. It was on video, the mayor said so.Estonut wrote:Unless you were there for the call, you're full of shit. You couldn't possibly know any of that to be true.
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Right, so why are you claiming he had cards?Estonut wrote:Unless you were there for the call, you're full of shit. You couldn't possibly know any of that to be true.Bob Juch wrote:What you think is apparently wrong. Maybe he can't read. He didn't remember and didn't look at anything; he just didn't know.Estonut wrote:He was calling 4 different families. I'd think they'd have prepared a card for each, listing parents, spouses, kids, kids ages, etc.. Pertinent information for each call.
I'm surprised to see that you think he's smart enough to remember such information for each call.
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I made no such claim, jackass.Bob Juch wrote:Right, so why are you claiming he had cards?Estonut wrote:Unless you were there for the call, you're full of shit. You couldn't possibly know any of that to be true.Bob Juch wrote:What you think is apparently wrong. Maybe he can't read. He didn't remember and didn't look at anything; he just didn't know.
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I was wrong about CNN. This sub thread should go on MSNBC.Estonut wrote:I made no such claim, jackass.Bob Juch wrote:Right, so why are you claiming he had cards?Estonut wrote:Unless you were there for the call, you're full of shit. You couldn't possibly know any of that to be true.
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Estonut wrote:I made no such claim, jackass.Bob Juch wrote:Right, so why are you claiming he had cards?Estonut wrote:Unless you were there for the call, you're full of shit. You couldn't possibly know any of that to be true.
Estonut wrote:He was calling 4 different families. I'd think they'd have prepared a card for each, listing parents, spouses, kids, kids ages, etc.. Pertinent information for each call.
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LOL. BJ proving he can't comprehend written English.Bob Juch wrote:Estonut wrote:I made no such claim, jackass.Bob Juch wrote:Right, so why are you claiming he had cards?Estonut wrote:He was calling 4 different families. I'd think they'd have prepared a card for each, listing parents, spouses, kids, kids ages, etc.. Pertinent information for each call.
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Regardless of what Trump's handlers may or may not have prepared, he has a habit of going off the cuff and away from prepared texts, so it's certainly not implausible that he wouldn't have tried to wing calls like this one.Estonut wrote: He was calling 4 different families. I'd think they'd have prepared a card for each, listing parents, spouses, kids, kids ages, etc.. Pertinent information for each call.
What you have is a he said-they said situation pitting a grieving family on the way to pick up the remains of a son and husband vs. a serial, pathological liar who claimed he had "proof" that his version of the call was correct and then never delivered the proof.
Unless someone did record the call, we'll never know for sure. And perhaps you choose to believe that a grieving family would decide on the spur of the moment that this call represented a good opportunity to trap the President and that everyone in the car then decided to collaborate in perpetuating a falsehood.
That goes a good way towards explaining how Trump still has a 30% or so level of support in this country.
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Yeah, because no one would use a tragedy to disparage Trump and attempt to advance their political views.silverscreenselect wrote:And perhaps you choose to believe that a grieving family would decide on the spur of the moment that this call represented a good opportunity to trap the President and that everyone in the car then decided to collaborate in perpetuating a falsehood.
He still beats your candidate in an election today.silverscreenselect wrote: That goes a good way towards explaining how Trump still has a 30% or so level of support in this country.
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There's a difference between using a tragedy to advance a point of view (which happens on both sides of the political spectrum) and for the widow and parents of a dead soldier to concoct a story while driving to the airport to claim the remains of the deceased soldier.BackInTex wrote:Yeah, because no one would use a tragedy to disparage Trump and attempt to advance their political views.silverscreenselect wrote:And perhaps you choose to believe that a grieving family would decide on the spur of the moment that this call represented a good opportunity to trap the President and that everyone in the car then decided to collaborate in perpetuating a falsehood.
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The soldiers parents weren't there. The widow's mother was. As far as I know, from what I've read.silverscreenselect wrote: There's a difference between using a tragedy to advance a point of view (which happens on both sides of the political spectrum) and for the widow and parents of a dead soldier to concoct a story while driving to the airport to claim the remains of the deceased soldier.
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The White House has walked back Donny's denial. And as for that dossier, the Senate Intelligence Committee is taking it seriously.BackInTex wrote:Considering the source, it is highly suspect, that he said those words, that way, in the context they are being portrayed. Highly.silverscreenselect wrote: The quote to that widow of the dead soldier killed in Africa pretty much sums up Trump's philosophy "he knew what he signed up for."
It is about at truthful as the dossier so widely reported.
I will say, though, that he has exceeded my expectations by refraining for two whole days from again attacking Gold Star families. Perhaps his staff is finally learning to control him. --Bob
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I don't believe that for a second. Like any other child, Donny is doing what he thinks is best for Donny. He cares no more about the welfare of the country as a whole than he cared about the welfare of the "students" at Trump University. And in the specific case of health care, his complete lack of understanding of how the Affordable Care Act actually works tells me that his visceral hatred of the Act arises primarily because it constitutes a part of President Obama's legacy that he knows he'll never be equal to.flockofseagulls104 wrote: But I believe he is, for the most part, trying to do what he thinks is best for the country as much as Obama, Bush, Clinton et al thought they were doing the best for the country.
I thought that Reagan's policies were odious and I thought that Bush 43 was pretty damn incompetent for most of his term, but I did think they were at least trying to do right by the country as they saw it. Notwithstanding his complicity in the current Administration, I'll even give Vice President Pence the benefit of the doubt on that score. But there's no evidence of that mindset in Donny's history or in his actions since moving into the White House. --Bob
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Your mom still lets you play with markers?Bob Juch wrote:
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You think I'm giving Donny advice?BackInTex wrote:Your mom still lets you play with markers?Bob Juch wrote:
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No, I think you're playing adult.Bob Juch wrote: You think I'm giving Donny advice?
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I think Gen Kelly said it all. I'll go with what he said. But let the spinning begin.
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General Kelly is a soldier. A soldier follows orders. Just look where his orders come from.flockofseagulls104 wrote:I think Gen Kelly said it all. I'll go with what he said. But let the spinning begin.
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Simpler than that. Donny's the one who politicized this issue by lying about what previous Administrations had done.silverscreenselect wrote:General Kelly is a soldier. A soldier follows orders. Just look where his orders come from.flockofseagulls104 wrote:I think Gen Kelly said it all. I'll go with what he said. But let the spinning begin.
But as this thread shows, it has been an effective distraction from his deliberate sabotage of American health care. I still urge people to follow my basic rule of political discourse: If the sentence begins with the words, "Trump said," the rest of the sentence isn't worth your time. Watch what Donny does. Ignore what he says. That's what Rachel Maddow has been doing to great commercial success. --Bob
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You might want to rethink Number 4 on the list:Bob Juch wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... c25ec70e1e
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I didn't write the list; it was leaked from an inside source.silverscreenselect wrote:You might want to rethink Number 4 on the list:Bob Juch wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... c25ec70e1e
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As for #4, the check's in the mail.
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You shouldn't. He got his facts about Rep. Wilson's speech in Florida wrong. Here's the video to prove it. --Bobflockofseagulls104 wrote:I think Gen Kelly said it all. I'll go with what he said. But let the spinning begin.
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