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>>>>"It’s bitter cold in parts of the US, but climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann explains that’s exactly what we should expect from the climate crisis. http://ow.ly/Gdm230hAFv4 "<<<<

I love this quote from the linked story.

>>>"The US East Coast is experiencing an “old-fashioned” winter, with plenty of cold weather and some heavy snowfall in certain places. "<<<<

Um, maybe the phrase "Old Fashioned" winter, might be an indication that cold weather has happened before.


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Al Gore on Twitter

>>>>"It’s bitter cold in parts of the US, but climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann explains that’s exactly what we should expect from the climate crisis. http://ow.ly/Gdm230hAFv4 "<<<<

I love this quote from the linked story.

>>>"The US East Coast is experiencing an “old-fashioned” winter, with plenty of cold weather and some heavy snowfall in certain places. "<<<<

Um, maybe the phrase "Old Fashioned" winter, might be an indication that cold weather has happened before.

No, weather is not climate - period.

When they had "Old-fashioned" winter, they weren't having record-setting temperatures in other parts of the world.

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Bob Juch wrote:
Spock wrote:
Al Gore on Twitter

>>>>"It’s bitter cold in parts of the US, but climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann explains that’s exactly what we should expect from the climate crisis. http://ow.ly/Gdm230hAFv4 "<<<<

I love this quote from the linked story.

>>>"The US East Coast is experiencing an “old-fashioned” winter, with plenty of cold weather and some heavy snowfall in certain places. "<<<<

Um, maybe the phrase "Old Fashioned" winter, might be an indication that cold weather has happened before.

No, weather is not climate - period.

When they had "Old-fashioned" winter, they weren't having record-setting temperatures in other parts of the world.


You know this how?

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Beebs52 wrote:
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>>>>"It’s bitter cold in parts of the US, but climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann explains that’s exactly what we should expect from the climate crisis. http://ow.ly/Gdm230hAFv4 "<<<<

I love this quote from the linked story.

>>>"The US East Coast is experiencing an “old-fashioned” winter, with plenty of cold weather and some heavy snowfall in certain places. "<<<<

Um, maybe the phrase "Old Fashioned" winter, might be an indication that cold weather has happened before.

No, weather is not climate - period.

When they had "Old-fashioned" winter, they weren't having record-setting temperatures in other parts of the world.


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No, weather is not climate - period.

When they had "Old-fashioned" winter, they weren't having record-setting temperatures in other parts of the world.


You know this how?


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No, I have Science.

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Beebs52 wrote:
Bob Juch wrote:
Spock wrote:
Al Gore on Twitter

>>>>"It’s bitter cold in parts of the US, but climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann explains that’s exactly what we should expect from the climate crisis. http://ow.ly/Gdm230hAFv4 "<<<<

I love this quote from the linked story.

>>>"The US East Coast is experiencing an “old-fashioned” winter, with plenty of cold weather and some heavy snowfall in certain places. "<<<<

Um, maybe the phrase "Old Fashioned" winter, might be an indication that cold weather has happened before.

No, weather is not climate - period.

When they had "Old-fashioned" winter, they weren't having record-setting temperatures in other parts of the world.


You know this how?

It's called records.

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When were most of the high temperature records for the US States set? When was the highest ever Temperture recorded?

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Bob Juch wrote:
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No, weather is not climate - period.

When they had "Old-fashioned" winter, they weren't having record-setting temperatures in other parts of the world.


You know this how?

It's called records.


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You're kidding, right? The globe has just experienced the four hottest years on record in quick succession, and you're trying to use a time-limited and relatively local phenomenon to cast doubt on the reality of climate change?

Tell you what. If you really believe what you're selling, put your money where your mouth is. I hear that low-lying land in Houston is pretty cheap nowadays. Why not invest in some? --Bob

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You're kidding, right? The globe has just experienced the four hottest years on record in quick succession, and you're trying to use a time-limited and relatively local phenomenon to cast doubt on the reality of climate change?

Tell you what. If you really believe what you're selling, put your money where your mouth is. I hear that low-lying land in Houston is pretty cheap nowadays. Why not invest in some? --Bob


Sweet cheeks, even lowlying Houston resl estate is a better deal than any climate crazy investment. Or CA fault option. FYI, Harvey hit non lowlying areas.

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Bob78164 wrote:
You're kidding, right? The globe has just experienced the four hottest years on record in quick succession, and you're trying to use a time-limited and relatively local phenomenon to cast doubt on the reality of climate change?

Tell you what. If you really believe what you're selling, put your money where your mouth is. I hear that low-lying land in Houston is pretty cheap nowadays. Why not invest in some? --Bob

If you are talking to me, guess what? My backyard is Puget Sound, which is sea level. And you know what? Every six hours the sea level increases! Then it goes down again. I'll let you know when any of my neighbors or I have to abandon our houses.

There may or may not be global cooling, I mean warming, oops, climate change. But when the scientific argument is that a theory is true because there's a consensus or a politician says 'the debate is over', I have doubts that they are truly applying scientific principles. There are many out there that seem to have as much or more credibility than Al Gore or any of his scientific supporters who say human activity is NOT causing any climate change. I also KNOW that we (humankind) do NOT know everything. While it is prudent to do what we can to be kind to our environment, many of the 'climate change' disciples seem to want us to go back to pre-industrialisation. Many of these types of people have gotten into the federal government bureaucracy. Too much of it looks political to me. So I am on the fence, but I will do what I can to be environmentally responsible. And I believe that most people feel that way. Most sane people enjoy breathing clean air and drinking clean water.


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Bob78164 wrote:
You're kidding, right? The globe has just experienced the four hottest years on record in quick succession, and you're trying to use a time-limited and relatively local phenomenon to cast doubt on the reality of climate change?

Tell you what. If you really believe what you're selling, put your money where your mouth is. I hear that low-lying land in Houston is pretty cheap nowadays. Why not invest in some? --Bob

Serious question: where has it warmed. Not in my part of the world. Those records of a global record are the results of the manipulation of local records and all the adjustment are towards warming.

It was Leona Woods Marshall Libby that predicted cooling in the 21st Century not Al Gore
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=a ... ming&hl=en

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While it is prudent to do what we can to be kind to our environment, many of the 'climate change' disciples seem to want us to go back to pre-industrialisation. Many of these types of people have gotten into the federal government bureaucracy. Too much of it looks political to me. So I am on the fence, but I will do what I can to be environmentally responsible. And I believe that most people feel that way. Most sane people enjoy breathing clean air and drinking clean water.


Or as someone once said: you can’t get to the Jetsons by going back to the Flintstones

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You're kidding, right? The globe has just experienced the four hottest years on record in quick succession, and you're trying to use a time-limited and relatively local phenomenon to cast doubt on the reality of climate change?

Tell you what. If you really believe what you're selling, put your money where your mouth is. I hear that low-lying land in Houston is pretty cheap nowadays. Why not invest in some? --Bob

Serious question: where has it warmed. Not in my part of the world. Those records of a global record are the results of the manipulation of local records and all the adjustment are towards warming.

It was Leona Woods Marshall Libby that predicted cooling in the 21st Century not Al Gore
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=a ... ming&hl=en

Here, we broke records all year.

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Pro tip: all those records only go back to 1850. (Except the CET which goes back to 1659)

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Pro tip: all those records only go back to 1850. (Except the CET which goes back to 1659)

Nope, the Spanish records go back to the 1500s.

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https://www.wired.com/story/noaa-predic ... r-in-a-row

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But when the scientific argument is that a theory is true because there's a consensus or a politician says 'the debate is over', I have doubts that they are truly applying scientific principles.


In the words of Luke Skywalker: "Impressive. Every word in that sentence was wrong."

There is no "debate" over global warming in the sense that you can have a debate over whether Obamacare is good or bad. It's those who refuse to accept the scientific consensus, not because they have an alternate theory that does as good or better a job of conforming to the known facts but simply because the scientific consensus conflicts with their political or religious principles who aren't applying scientific principles.

Saying that someday the current theories about global warming might be proved wrong because nobody knows everything is pretty much an argument against the entire scientific method.

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But when the scientific argument is that a theory is true because there's a consensus or a politician says 'the debate is over', I have doubts that they are truly applying scientific principles.


In the words of Luke Skywalker: "Impressive. Every word in that sentence was wrong."

There is no "debate" over global warming in the sense that you can have a debate over whether Obamacare is good or bad. It's those who refuse to accept the scientific consensus, not because they have an alternate theory that does as good or better a job of conforming to the known facts but simply because the scientific consensus conflicts with their political or religious principles who aren't applying scientific principles.

Saying that someday the current theories about global warming might be proved wrong because nobody knows everything is pretty much an argument against the entire scientific method.

Good will you please state for us what the scientific consensus is exactly?

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Good will you please state for us what the scientific consensus is exactly?


https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

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Good will you please state for us what the scientific consensus is exactly?
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
What percentage of climate scientists are "actively publishing?"

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ian-tuttle

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Good will you please state for us what the scientific consensus is exactly?
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
What percentage of climate scientists are "actively publishing?"

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ian-tuttle


If there are that many climate scientists who don't believe in global warming, then where are their findings being published? Or is this simply a matter of a handful of grumbling being magnified by the right wing press.

The reason that publication is important is that it gives other scientists the ability to review and critique the findings. Generalizations in the National Review are not published studies.

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It was 116.6° in Sydney today, the hottest since 1939.

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It was 116.6° in Sydney today, the hottest since 1939.


So? It's 73 there now.

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It was 116.6° in Sydney today, the hottest since 1939.


So? It's 73 there now.

It's only 9:00 AM now. It will be in the 90s soon.

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