Summertiiiiime and the livin is greasy...Bob Juch wrote:It's only 9:00 AM now. It will be in the 90s soon.Beebs52 wrote:So? It's 73 there now.Bob Juch wrote:It was 116.6° in Sydney today, the hottest since 1939.
Weather is not climate-Except when it is
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
Well, then
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16 inches of not climate in the Algerian Sahara
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/90 ... res-photos
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/90 ... res-photos
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."Estonut wrote:What percentage of climate scientists are "actively publishing?"silverscreenselect wrote:https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Good will you please state for us what the scientific consensus is exactly?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... ian-tuttle
So the consensus is that the earth has warmed since the Little Ice Age. That's weak sauce.
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
http://notrickszone.com/2016/07/03/alre ... c3ga1.dpbs
Interestingly, since January 2014, the last 2 and half years, 770 peer-reviewed scientific papers have been published in scholarly journals that call into question just how settled the “consensus” science is that says anthropogenic or CO2 forcing dominates weather and climate changes, or that non-anthropogenic factors play only a relatively minor and inconsequential role.
Instead of supporting the “consensus” science, these 770 papers support the position that there are significant limitations and uncertainties apparent in climate modeling and the predictions of future climate catastrophes. Furthermore, these scientific papers strongly suggest that natural factors (the Sun, multi-decadal ocean oscillations [AMO/PDO, ENSO], cloud and aerosol albedo variations, etc.) have both in the past and present exerted a significant influence on weather and climate, which means an anthropogenic signal may be much more difficult to detect or distinguish as an “extremely likely” cause relative to natural variation. Papers questioning the “common-knowledge” viewpoints on ocean acidification, glacier melt and advance, sea level rise, extreme weather events, past climate forcing mechanisms, the “danger” of high CO2 concentrations, etc., have also been included in this volume of 770 papers.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/03/12/ ... really-is/
the much repeated “97% consensus” is indeed nothing more than a manufactured outcome.
Interestingly, since January 2014, the last 2 and half years, 770 peer-reviewed scientific papers have been published in scholarly journals that call into question just how settled the “consensus” science is that says anthropogenic or CO2 forcing dominates weather and climate changes, or that non-anthropogenic factors play only a relatively minor and inconsequential role.
Instead of supporting the “consensus” science, these 770 papers support the position that there are significant limitations and uncertainties apparent in climate modeling and the predictions of future climate catastrophes. Furthermore, these scientific papers strongly suggest that natural factors (the Sun, multi-decadal ocean oscillations [AMO/PDO, ENSO], cloud and aerosol albedo variations, etc.) have both in the past and present exerted a significant influence on weather and climate, which means an anthropogenic signal may be much more difficult to detect or distinguish as an “extremely likely” cause relative to natural variation. Papers questioning the “common-knowledge” viewpoints on ocean acidification, glacier melt and advance, sea level rise, extreme weather events, past climate forcing mechanisms, the “danger” of high CO2 concentrations, etc., have also been included in this volume of 770 papers.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/03/12/ ... really-is/
the much repeated “97% consensus” is indeed nothing more than a manufactured outcome.
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Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
The consensus isn't just that global warming isn't occurring; it's that the cause of this is due to human activities than can be regulated to minimize the effects.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: "Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources."
So the consensus is that the earth has warmed since the Little Ice Age. That's weak sauce.
Drastic climactic changes have occurred in prehistoric times that decimated the majority of species on the planet at that time. The difference between now and then is that we can do something about it now unless we continue to characterize it as "weak sauce" and bring up the occasional anecdotal evidence as proof.
Two people won hundreds of millions in the Powerball and MegaMillions jackpots over the weekend. That's not proof that the lotteries are a good investment (although by all means you should play them).
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Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
The trouble with what this post says is that the viewpoint he is espousing is not what most self-described skeptics are espousing. If you read to the bottom, he says that he agrees that the globe is warming, and that human activities have caused at least part of it. He disagrees with the extent of the problem, and therefore what to do about it. Is that your position, as well? Would you say that most climate change skeptics would agree that the globe is warming, and that human activities have caused at least part of it? Because that's not the vibe I get from the skeptic community.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2 ... odoxy.html
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The global temperature has risen since the end of the Little Ice Age. Humans have contributed a part of that. Also the warming has been a good thing.
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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The first two statements are facts. The third is an opinion. I can, and will continue to, discuss issues with people who have strong opinions, especially when they back them up with logical arguments. When I give up is when people will not accept demonstrable facts.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:The global temperature has risen since the end of the Little Ice Age. Humans have contributed a part of that. Also the warming has been a good thing.
We probably disagree on the extent of current and future climate change. We probably also disagree on what steps, if any, should be taken to minimize the damage from it. But I think we probably are pretty close on the need to take it slowly and consider all options as we address the issue.
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled. -- Richard Feynman
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since the warming we are talking about runs from around 1850 there is some support for my opinion since there has never been a period of greater advancement in widespread improvement of the human condition. (including the decrease in slavery, which I think was made possible by coal)mrkelley23 wrote:The first two statements are facts. The third is an opinion. I can, and will continue to, discuss issues with people who have strong opinions, especially when they back them up with logical arguments. When I give up is when people will not accept demonstrable facts.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:The global temperature has risen since the end of the Little Ice Age. Humans have contributed a part of that. Also the warming has been a good thing.
We probably disagree on the extent of current and future climate change. We probably also disagree on what steps, if any, should be taken to minimize the damage from it. But I think we probably are pretty close on the need to take it slowly and consider all options as we address the issue.
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
Global warming roars on: Past four years have been Earth's hottest on record
https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... 043927001/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... 043927001/
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Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
Crop yeilds at historic levelsBob Juch wrote:Global warming roars on: Past four years have been Earth's hottest on record
https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... 043927001/
Suitguy is not bitter.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
feels he represents the many educated and rational onlookers who believe that the hysterical denouncement of lay scepticism is both unwarranted and counter-productive
The problem, then, is that such calls do not address an opposition audience so much as they signal virtue. They talk past those who need convincing. They ignore actual facts and counterargument. And they are irreparably smug.
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
Wait until there's no water for them.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Crop yeilds at historic levelsBob Juch wrote:Global warming roars on: Past four years have been Earth's hottest on record
https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... 043927001/
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be.
- Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001)
Si fractum non sit, noli id reficere.
Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to drive in New Jersey.
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
When will that be?Bob Juch wrote:Wait until there's no water for them.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote:Crop yeilds at historic levelsBob Juch wrote:Global warming roars on: Past four years have been Earth's hottest on record
https://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/ ... 043927001/
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
With the glut of liberal tears, our sea levels have to have risen significantly in the last year.BackInTex wrote:When will that be?Bob Juch wrote:Wait until there's no water for them.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: Crop yeilds at historic levels
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Re: Weather is not climate-Except when it is
The Day After Tomorrow.BackInTex wrote:When will that be?Bob Juch wrote:Wait until there's no water for them.themanintheseersuckersuit wrote: Crop yeilds at historic levels
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