WWTBAM Bored

I edited the heading since when I first posted didn't know if everyone had seen the kerfluffle and didn't want anyone to think I was calling a random person a feckless whatever.
Then finally realized it looked like I was calling her a feckless whatever, which she may be, but that wasn't my original intention.

Feckless is a good word.
Feckless. Feckless.

Some thoughts:

4) Language standards (and standards in general) on basic cable like TBS are not the same as on network TV. The other night on the finale of The Americans, one character called another a "f...ing piece of shit." (And, of course, just about anything goes in terms of violence on shows like The Walking Dead.) If a character on a scripted TBS or TNT show had called another a "feckless c..t," it would have probably wound up on air. So, it's not surprising that whoever was responsible for editing and producing her show didn't pick up on the full significance of the comment. And it's even less surprising that the network higher ups were unaware before it aired.

5) Standards have always been relaxed as far as comics criticizing people of the same race or sex as others. Black comics often use the N-word in routines in situations that white comics never could. Like it or not, that's the way it is nowadays. If Samantha Bee (or Roseanne) had called another woman in general a c..t, it wouldn't have caused a stir, as in "Do you know what that c..t driving next to me did today?"

I have been told by at least 4 women that there is NO word that they hate more than "c..t."

The guy with the beer looks as if he just put it on, possibly as a joke for a picture. He had no idea he was the spokesman for the Republican Party.

Really? Such a popular shirt that only these 2 images appear to exist! The guy with the beer looks as if he just put it on, possibly as a joke for a picture. He had no idea he was the spokesman for the Republican Party.

What percentage of all Republicans is 2 people? You think these 2 represent ALL Republicans? About as much as you represent ALL Democrats! Tell you what - cancel both of their TV shows.

It does seem appropriate to call out the White House on its clear hypocrisy. If you're Samantha Bee and you use that language, Donny wants your show cancelled. If you're Ted Nugent and you use that language, Donny invites you to the White House for a photo under the target of your invective.



Still saying Bee was wrong to use that word, as she's acknowledged. But this White House is in no position to claim the moral high ground. --Bob

Isn't 'whataboutism' one of your favorite words, Bob? And I have zero knowledge about Nugent calling Hillary that word, but did he use it against her (or her daughter) on broadcast television?

"Whataboutism" would be appropriate if I'd said that what Bee did was okay because Nugent did it. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Donny is a hypocrite because his White House invitation demonstrates that he has no trouble with the word, so he's got no business complaining when someone else uses it.

Nugent publicly called Ms. Clinton a "toxic c___" in 1994, when she was FLOTUS and long before she herself became a candidate for public office. The exact quote was "'You probably can’t use the term "toxic c---" in your magazine, but that’s what she is,' Nugent said of Hillary Clinton. 'Her very existence insults the spirit of individualism in this country. This bitch is nothing but a two-bit whore for Fidel Castro.'"

Again, nothing about this makes Samantha Bee's use of the term acceptable. But I'm waiting for Donny's expression of regret for his welcome of Nugent (or for anything else, for that matter). --Bob

So you also assume Obama approves of Jay Z's misogynistic words, and do you await his expression of regret for his welcome of Jay Z, and perhaps a refund of donations from him, etc? I'm guessing not.

You have zero knowledge that Trump knew of Nugent's remarks from '94 when he was at the White House, but as usual, have no problem Assuming.

It does seem appropriate to call out the White House on its clear hypocrisy. If you're Samantha Bee and you use that language, Donny wants your show cancelled. If you're Ted Nugent and you use that language, Donny invites you to the White House for a photo under the target of your invective.



Still saying Bee was wrong to use that word, as she's acknowledged. But this White House is in no position to claim the moral high ground. --Bob

Now THAT'S whataboutism. You're arguing that Donny's hypocrisy is acceptable because President Obama supposedly once did something similar.

And by the way, I have no idea what you're talking about when you refer to Jay Z's misogynistic words. I have seen some stories suggesting that some on the right equate any use of vulgar language on their part with misogyny. Is that what you're talking about?

In any event, President Obama is no longer in office. Donny used the bully pulpit of the White House and he's still in a position to do so. He deserves to be called out for his hypocrisy. --Bob

Well, any competent White House staff would be well aware of the public statements made by such a prominent invitee, particularly statements so provocative. But that does require a modicum of competence from the Administration, so I guess that's one point for you. Except, of course, that as the boss Donny is ultimately responsible for his staff's performance. --Bob

And, as to you being innocently unaware of Jay Z's misogynistic lyrics, I'll just say,

I don't think it's a valid comparison. Trump singled out Samantha Bee because she called his daughter the c-word, not because of her politics.

"Whataboutism" would be appropriate if I'd said that what Bee did was okay because Nugent did it. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that Donny is a hypocrite because his White House invitation demonstrates that he has no trouble with the word, so he's got no business complaining when someone else uses it.

I deserve to be called out for my hypocrisy.

I fixed it for you, because we all know you are not a liar.


Every instance I recall you pulling your "whataboutism" shtick has been simply calling you out on your hypocrisy in decrying Trump for something when you've been O.K. in the past with Obama or Clinton doing similar, never about someone saying whatever it was was O.K. because those two may have done it.

And yet you don't actually answer the question. Which is pretty typical for my exchanges with you. When I ask you to support your points, you switch to mockery without providing any actual evidence. --Bob

So you're okay with Donny's invitation to Nugent? Or do you agree that he's being his usual hypocritical self? --Bob

And yet you don't actually answer the question. Which is pretty typical for my exchanges with you. When I ask you to support your points, you switch to mockery without providing any actual evidence. --Bob

Since you prefer to be obtuse, a simple Google search will show you Jay Z is on the list of 'worst offenders' of misogynistic lyrics. You can pretend all you like that you weren't aware of the misogynistic nature of a lot of rap 'music' including his- just don't expect anyone with a brain to believe you. I'm not familiar with most of those publications, but I doubt they're particularly right-leaning. At least some of his 'lyrics' are from 2010, while President Obama was in the White House - not from 20 years prior.