The Harvey List

[flockofseagulls104]

There's just too many for one person to keep track of it. BJ doesn't seem to want to take over the scoresheet, even though it's right up his alley. I can't keep up with it, so if you can help update it, it would be appreciated.

• ACCUSED___________ACCUSERS__________APOLOGIZED____________GUILTY?
  ______________________________________________________________________
  Moore________________432________________N___________________Of Course
  Franken_________________2_______________Y____________________N
  Weinstein_______________@97______________?____________________Y
  Spacey__________________42______________Y(Came out of Closet)____Y
  Schwartzenegger___________9______________?_____________________?
  GW Bush_________________17_____________N_____________________?
  Hoffman__________________3______________?_____________________?(Probably not, has a couple Academy Awards)
  Clinton (B)_______________21_______________N(Trailer Trash)_________N
  Cosby___________________43______________N_____________________Y
  Stallone__________________1______________N______________________?(No Oscars and moderately conservative, Probably guilty)
  Conyers__________________1______________N______________________?
  Toback__________________300_____________?______________________?
  Affleck(Ben)________________1_____________Y_____________________Y
  Price,Roy_________________1______________Y(Resigned)_____________Y
  Halperin_________________12______________Y____________________?
  Oreskes__________________2_______________Y____________________Y
  Rose,Charlie______________19______________?____________________Y

[BackInTex]

You somehow need to figure out how to also layer in the age of the accusations. Moore's are 40 years old. Stallone's newer, Franken's even more recent. Maybe some sort of conversion scale based on time between alleged event and allegation. So Moore has 432 accusations, but only 234.3 in today's dollars.

[Bob Juch]

You somehow need to figure out how to also layer in the age of the accusations. Moore's are 40 years old. Stallone's newer, Franken's even more recent. Maybe some sort of conversion scale based on time between alleged event and allegation. So Moore has 432 accusations, but only 234.3 in today's dollars.

No, not deflation, inflation. You need to add in a multiplier based on the age of the victims too.

[flockofseagulls104]

The content here is not copyrighted. It's like wikipedia. Feel free to update it. I am not responsible for accuracy.

[flockofseagulls104]

ACCUSED___________ACCUSERS__________APOLOGIZED____________GUILTY?
______________________________________________________________________
Moore________________432________________N___________________Of Course
Franken_________________2_______________Y____________________N
Weinstein_______________@97______________?____________________Y
Spacey__________________42______________Y(Came out of Closet)____Y
Schwartzenegger___________9______________?_____________________?
GW Bush_________________17_____________N_____________________?
Hoffman__________________3______________?_____________________?(Probably not, has a couple Academy Awards)
Clinton (B)_______________21_______________N(Trailer Trash)_________N
Cosby___________________43______________N_____________________Y
Stallone__________________1______________N______________________?(No Oscars and moderately conservative, Probably guilty)
Conyers__________________1______________N______________________?
Toback__________________300_____________?______________________?
Affleck(Ben)________________1_____________Y_____________________Y
Price,Roy_________________1______________Y(Resigned)_____________Y
Halperin_________________12______________Y____________________?
Oreskes__________________2_______________Y____________________Y
Rose,Charlie______________19______________?____________________Y
Trump_______________All Democrat Women____Kinda________________Impeach him

[ghostjmf]

ya know flock, sexual assault & sexual threats are not a joke.

Neither is "just regular" physical abuse & threats. like having things thrown at you, being hit with stuff, being backed into a corner from which you cannot escape without "going through" the assailant. Giant men like to use this one on tiny women, I am told. So they can say "didn't touch her".

[BackInTex]

ya know flock, sexual assault & sexual threats are not a joke.

Neither is "just regular" physical abuse & threats. like having things thrown at you, being hit with stuff, being backed into a corner from which you cannot escape without "going through" the assailant. Giant men like to use this one on tiny women, I am told. So they can say "didn't touch her".

You 'joked' about WJC's accusations.

Wikishmoozia says 3 women told their friends & relatives they were having a good time with Clinton at the time, & claimed it was unsolicited assault years later.

[ghostjmf]

Not a joke. A report.

I generally don't tell friends & relatives about my relationships unless I'm going to introduce them to the person, & maybe not even then.

But these women reportedly did say good things at the time.

[flockofseagulls104]

ya know flock, sexual assault & sexual threats are not a joke.

Neither is "just regular" physical abuse & threats. like having things thrown at you, being hit with stuff, being backed into a corner from which you cannot escape without "going through" the assailant. Giant men like to use this one on tiny women, I am told. So they can say "didn't touch her".

Oh, sorry, I'm not being politically correct, am I?
Powerful men using their power to prey on women is not a joke. It's despicable. But so are false accusations of the same. Are we to just assume every accusation is true, just because the accusation comes from a woman? That's what Hillary says, except when her husband is accused. I don't know which accusations are true and which are false. And neither do you. And this list is just keeping track of what's being adjudicated in the media, with some tongue in cheek remarks. Sorry if it offends you. I think we need, as a culture, to thicken our skin a bit. I mean no malice to anyone, and if anyone's offended, they need to lighten up a bit. The over-sensitive are really doing harm to our culture, in my opinion.

PS: Does anyone know how to post the list more like a spreadsheet?

[Estonut]

PS: Does anyone know how to post the list more like a spreadsheet?

Use the "Code" tags. It will use the same space per letter (like courier font), rather than making "I" narrower than "m," for example.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16681&p=187694&hili ... ag#p187694

[flockofseagulls104]

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ACCUSED              ACCUSERS          APOLOGIZED                 GUILTY (Media Verdict)?
        
Moore                   432               N                          Of Course 
Franken                   2               Y                          N
Weinstein               @97               ?                          Y
Spacey                   42               Y(Came out of Closet)      Y
Schwartzenegger           9               ?                          ?
GW Bush                  17               N                          ?
Hoffman                   3               ?                          ?(Probably not, has a couple Academy Awards)
Clinton (B)              21               N(Trailer Trash)           N
Cosby                    43               N                          Y
Stallone                  1               N                          ?(No Oscars and moderately conservative, Probably guilty)
Conyers                   2               N                          ?
Toback                  300               ?                          ?
Affleck(Ben)              1               Y                          Y
Price,Roy                 1               Y(Resigned)                Y
Halperin                 12               Y                          ?
Oreskes                   2               Y                          Y
Rose,Charlie             19               ?                          Y
Trump               All Democrat Women    Kinda                      Impeach him
Schiano, Greg            0                N                          Lost job at Tennessee because he worked at Penn State

Much better, thanks.

[flockofseagulls104]

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ACCUSED              ACCUSERS          APOLOGIZED                 GUILTY (Media Verdict)?
        
Moore                   432               N                          Of Course 
Franken                   2               Y                          N
Weinstein               @97               ?                          Y
Spacey                   42               Y(Came out of Closet)      Y
Schwartzenegger           9               ?                          ?
GW Bush                  17               N                          ?
Hoffman                   3               ?                          ?(Probably not, has a couple Academy Awards)
Clinton (B)              21               N(Trailer Trash)           N
Cosby                    43               N                          Y
Stallone                  1               N                          ?(No Oscars and moderately conservative, Probably guilty)
Conyers                   2               N                          ?
Toback                  300               ?                          ?
Affleck(Ben)              1               Y                          Y
Price,Roy                 1               Y(Resigned)                Y
Halperin                 12               Y                          ?
Oreskes                   2               Y                          Y
Rose,Charlie             19               ?                          Y
Trump               All Democrat Women    Kinda                      Impeach him
Schiano, Greg            0                N                          Lost job at Tennessee because he worked at Penn State
Lasseter, John          15                Y                          Y Took a sabbatical from Pixar
Thrush, Glenn            4                Y                          ? Suspended from NY Times reporting job
Jurvetson, Steve         2                N                          Y Resigned from Tesla board
Berganza, Eddie         13                N                          Y Fired from DC Comics
Kreisberg, Andrew       12+               N                          Y Suspended from Warner Bros
Louis C.K                5                ?                          Y Lost career
Westwick, Ed             2                ?                          ? LAPD investigating rape charges
Guillod, David           4                N                          ?
Hoover, Jeff             ?                N                          Y Resigned speakership of KY House
Ratner, Brett            6                N                          Y suspended from Warner Bros
Dick, Andy               1+               N                          Y Fired from film
Fish, Hamilton          Several           N                          Y Resigned from New Republic

There are many more. I don't have time for this.

[ne1410s]

NBC says you may add Matt Lauer.

[Bob Juch]

NBC says you may add Matt Lauer.

That was the first item on the news just now when I turned on my TV. They had Savanna read NBC's statement.

[flockofseagulls104]

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ACCUSED              ACCUSERS          APOLOGIZED                 GUILTY (Media Verdict)?
        
Moore                   432               N                          Of Course 
Franken                   2               Y                          N
Weinstein               @97               ?                          Y
Spacey                   42               Y(Came out of Closet)      Y
Schwartzenegger           9               ?                          ?
GW Bush                  17               N                          ?
Hoffman                   3               ?                          ?(Probably not, has a couple Academy Awards)
Clinton (B)              21               N(Trailer Trash)           N
Cosby                    43               N                          Y
Stallone                  1               N                          ?(No Oscars and moderately conservative, Probably guilty)
Conyers                   2               N                          ?
Toback                  300               ?                          ?
Affleck(Ben)              1               Y                          Y
Price,Roy                 1               Y(Resigned)                Y
Halperin                 12               Y                          ?
Oreskes                   2               Y                          Y
Rose,Charlie             19               ?                          Y
Trump               All Democrat Women    Kinda                      Impeach him
Schiano, Greg            0                N                          Lost job at Tennessee because he worked at Penn State
Lasseter, John          15                Y                          Y Took a sabbatical from Pixar
Thrush, Glenn            4                Y                          ? Suspended from NY Times reporting job
Jurvetson, Steve         2                N                          Y Resigned from Tesla board
Berganza, Eddie         13                N                          Y Fired from DC Comics
Kreisberg, Andrew       12+               N                          Y Suspended from Warner Bros
Louis C.K                5                ?                          Y Lost career
Westwick, Ed             2                ?                          ? LAPD investigating rape charges
Guillod, David           4                N                          ?
Hoover, Jeff             ?                N                          Y Resigned speakership of KY House
Ratner, Brett            6                N                          Y suspended from Warner Bros
Dick, Andy               1+               N                          Y Fired from film
Fish, Hamilton          Several           N                          Y Resigned from New Republic
Lauer, Matt              1?               N                          Y (Fired)

The purge continues....

[ghostjmf]

I can't figure out why these guys just don't get it, other than they thought they'd never get caught, & that if they were society would continue to just not care.

Clearly:

Don't hit on work colleagues, unless you've had one of those unromantic discussions 1st agreeing that you're consenting adults forming a relationship.

Doesn't have to be a serious, committed relationship, but the object of your intentions has to agree that, for want of another term, you're dating.

That you think "they should have known what I meant" when you invited someone to your hotel room or boat for what you tell them is to be a business meeting, or offered a convenient, public-transit-avoiding ride in a car to their house etc does not count as permission. Only permission counts as permission.

And it seems we women who have long been suspicious of all supposedly friendly gestures are, sadly, right after all.

Don't hit on kids. Period.

If someone you *are* in an agreed relationship with says "stop", STOP.

[silverscreenselect]

Since we're including news people in the list, we should probably add Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes.

And Jeremy Piven as well, since CBS hung him out to dry (although low ratings for his show didn't help).

[Bob Juch]

Add Garrison Keillor now.

[Bob Juch]

Add Garrison Keillor now.

This might be a false accusation:

http://www.startribune.com/garrison-kei ... tion=%2F#1

[flockofseagulls104]

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ACCUSED              ACCUSERS          APOLOGIZED                 GUILTY (Media Verdict)?
        
Moore                   432               N                          Of Course 
Franken                   2               Y                          N
Weinstein               @97               ?                          Y
Spacey                   42               Y(Came out of Closet)      Y
Schwartzenegger           9               ?                          ?
GW Bush                  17               N                          ?
Hoffman                   3               ?                          ?(Probably not, has a couple Academy Awards)
Clinton (B)              21               N(Trailer Trash)           N
Cosby                    43               N                          Y
Stallone                  1               N                          ?(No Oscars and moderately conservative, Probably guilty)
Conyers                   2               N                          ?
Toback                  300               ?                          ?
Affleck(Ben)              1               Y                          Y
Price,Roy                 1               Y(Resigned)                Y
Halperin                 12               Y                          ?
Oreskes                   2               Y                          Y
Rose,Charlie             19               ?                          Y
Trump               All Democrat Women    Kinda                      Impeach him
Schiano, Greg            0                N                          Lost job at Tennessee because he worked at Penn State
Lasseter, John          15                Y                          Y Took a sabbatical from Pixar
Thrush, Glenn            4                Y                          ? Suspended from NY Times reporting job
Jurvetson, Steve         2                N                          Y Resigned from Tesla board
Berganza, Eddie         13                N                          Y Fired from DC Comics
Kreisberg, Andrew       12+               N                          Y Suspended from Warner Bros
Louis C.K                5                ?                          Y Lost career
Westwick, Ed             2                ?                          ? LAPD investigating rape charges
Guillod, David           4                N                          ?
Hoover, Jeff             ?                N                          Y Resigned speakership of KY House
Ratner, Brett            6                N                          Y suspended from Warner Bros
Dick, Andy               1+               N                          Y Fired from film
Fish, Hamilton          Several           N                          Y Resigned from New Republic
Lauer, Matt              1?               N                          Y (Fired)
O'Reilly, Bill           4?               N                          Y (Still waiting for proof of innocence)
Ailes, Roger             Some             ?                          Y 
Piven Jeremy             1                ?                          ? (Never heard of him)
Keillor, Garrison        1                N                          N BJ vouches for him

Non partisan

[silverscreenselect]

For the benefit of Flock:

http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-canc ... ns-2017-11

And I can't believe we left him off the list:

http://deadline.com/2017/11/jeffrey-tam ... 202211711/

[Vandal]

Mark Twain’s Disturbing Passion for Collecting Young Girls

"As for me,” Twain wrote at the age of seventy-three, “I collect pets: young girls—girls from ten to sixteen years old; girls who are pretty and sweet and naive and innocent—dear young creatures to whom life is a perfect joy and to whom it has brought no wounds, no bitterness, and few tears.”

https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/201 ... ung-girls/

[flockofseagulls104]

If you have any to add, go ahead and add 'em.

[Estonut]

Add Garrison Keillor now.

This might be a false accusation:

http://www.startribune.com/garrison-kei ... tion=%2F#1

Any of these might be false accusations, Sherlock!

[silverscreenselect]

Another day, another addition to the list:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ru ... mg00000009